New Riders...Start with a smaller bike!

[Joe Bass]

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That hill is a beast for most tractor trailers lol
I would probably be going in reverse on a twofitty

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[Riceburner]

Maybe I should downsize....or put my 6 engine into an FZR400 chassis...supposed to bolt right in.

 

[Genesis]

Many many answers to other questions, I've never seen an answer to that one so I am putting my money on <3 months.

Don't worry though, because he has "already familiarized myself with [the power of the bike] in all gears" so he's got tons of experience and is good to go. :/ What does an R6 in 6th gear at 8000+ rpm run? 150+ before you are experiencing the power of the bike? Sounds like his learning is going exactly as expected.

This is my first season riding. As I said before I am a new rider. What does my "certification of experience" have to do with any of what I'm saying? I only speak of facts which is that people "can" and "do" start on SS bikes and that I am steadily making improvements as expected.


I find it somewhat comical to watch people struggle with their belief system.

Let me see if I understand you...

Apparently, because I am gaining traction with my learning on the bike, it makes you feel uncomfortable inside so any areas of improvements I make should be shot down with criticism, sarcastically laughed at, and condescendingly dismissed.

Try to provide a sensible counter argument if you have a point to make and while doing so, please do not forget to address the riders who "have" started on SS and still breathe after many years. Dismissal of that fact will forfeit your argument seeing as it will no longer be sound.




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[Riceburner]

Well, I'm in my 3rd decade of riding and still learning. I must be a slow learner.

 

[Genesis]

Really...the condescending attitude is annoying.

But what is more annoying is when one projects their own attributes, characteristics learning abilities and limitations onto others.

I appreciate the healthy warnings from level headed individuals as I would do the same to another who was thinking or who has already started on a 600 but some people are just ridiculous.




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[油井緋色]

Still, I wouldn't recommend a big cruiser as a first bike either. Size and weight still play a factor in the learning curve. For cruisers up to around 600 might be ok, maybe 750 if maturity and balance and strength is there.

I demoed a Suzuki M90 3ish years ago. The power wasn't anything unfamiliar to me, but the weight and size of the thing was. The other problem is that cruisers can't ****ing turn fast without hanging off harder than a monkey while trying to drag your face. I totally agree with you as I can't picture a new rider on one of those things without massive difficulties.

Really...the condescending attitude is annoying.

But what is more annoying is when one projects their own attributes, characteristics learning abilities and limitations onto others.

I appreciate the healthy warnings from level headed individuals as I would do the same to another who was thinking or who has already started on a 600 but some people are just ridiculous.

.......you realize you aren't the first, in any motorcycle community, that's tried to prove people wrong with regards to starting on a SS? You can rationalize all you want but the odds are stacked so badly against you you're better off coming back AFTER you drag knee on the R6.

I personally know two riders that started on a SS who became competent at riding...after he went into the guradrail at forks during his first year. The other used to race cars. I know at least a dozen other riders who started on a SS that either quit after getting skinned alive, or never developed any skills beyond death gripping the throttle with locked arms.

 

[PLau]

.......you realize you aren't the first, in any motorcycle community, that's tried to prove people wrong with regards to starting on a SS? You can rationalize all you want but the odds are stacked so badly against you you're better off coming back AFTER you drag knee on the R6.

I personally know two riders that started on a SS who became competent at riding...after he went into the guradrail at forks during his first year. The other used to race cars. I know at least a dozen other riders who started on a SS that either quit after getting skinned alive, or never developed any skills beyond death gripping the throttle with locked arms.

Let's just say 2 of 15 SS starter riders became competent, that's about a 13% chance...

I mean, if you think about it, less than 13% of people that started on an SS on this forum doesn't know how to spell, has a limited vocabulary, and/or doesn't know how to use proper punctuation. Genesis beat those odds. They're usually limited to "F***", "You", and "Bro". Specifically in that order.

 

[油井緋色]

Let's just say 2 of 15 SS starter riders became competent, that's about a 13% chance...

I mean, if you think about it, less than 13% of people that started on an SS on this forum doesn't know how to spell, has a limited vocabulary, and/or doesn't know how to use proper punctuation. Genesis beat those odds. They're usually limited to "F***", "You", and "Bro". Specifically in that order.

Your phone's auto correct messed up I believe lol

But you're right, most of the SS riders I met at LnL and KC were the "brah" types. There was also that one obnoxious twat telling us about he dropped a couple thousand $ on the 404.....

 

[Genesis]

I demoed a Suzuki M90 3ish years ago. The power wasn't anything unfamiliar to me, but the weight and size of the thing was. The other problem is that cruisers can't ****ing turn fast without hanging off harder than a monkey while trying to drag your face. I totally agree with you as I can't picture a new rider on one of those things without massive difficulties.



.......you realize you aren't the first, in any motorcycle community, that's tried to prove people wrong with regards to starting on a SS? You can rationalize all you want but the odds are stacked so badly against you you're better off coming back AFTER you drag knee on the R6.

I personally know two riders that started on a SS who became competent at riding...after he went into the guradrail at forks during his first year. The other used to race cars. I know at least a dozen other riders who started on a SS that either quit after getting skinned alive, or never developed any skills beyond death gripping the throttle with locked arms.

Well if you read the discussion carefully, you'll find that I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just try to point my finger at facts that are true.

As you just said, you know 2 riders who are competent that have started on SS. The rest skinned alive.That was my point the entire time. It's doable.

Not once have I said the "odds" aren't stacked against me, or that a SS is a great starter bike for people. I actually remember saying I "wouldn't" recommend it to people unless I know the individual personally and can have an idea of whether or not they can address the issues that cause new riders to go down.



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[huhsure]

I wonder what size wheelchair would fit you genesis?

Ironic from a guy named bigpoppa.

 

[bigpoppa]

Huh?

Sure...

 

[Evoex]

Well if you read the discussion carefully, you'll find that I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just try to point my finger at facts that are true.

As you just said, you know 2 riders who are competent that have started on SS. The rest skinned alive.That was my point the entire time. It's doable.

Not once have I said the "odds" aren't stacked against me, or that a SS is a great starter bike for people. I actually remember saying I "wouldn't" recommend it to people unless I know the individual personally and can have an idea of whether or not they can address the issues that cause new riders to go down.



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Actually i take issue with this, as per my previous comment. You attempted to lump in all riders on how you feel every time you get on your bike. You later attempted to 'elaborate' on this but in actuality what you said simply holds no water. It was direct and to the point, there is nothing else to glean from it.

 

[Oppoe]

Genesis, your a new member, this site is full of egotistical riders whose opinions reign supreme, if yours differs, good luck. No sense in arguing, your just wasting your time. The condescending and sarcastic replies are beyond annoying.

 

[Genesis]

I wonder what size wheelchair would fit you genesis?

Not interested in knowing.
Won't need to know either.


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[Genesis]

Let's just say 2 of 15 SS starter riders became competent, that's about a 13% chance...

I mean, if you think about it, less than 13% of people that started on an SS on this forum doesn't know how to spell, has a limited vocabulary, and/or doesn't know how to use proper punctuation. Genesis beat those odds. They're usually limited to "F***", "You", and "Bro". Specifically in that order.

Lol

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[Genesis]

Genesis, your a new member, this site is full of egotistical riders whose opinions reign supreme, if yours differs, good luck. No sense in arguing, your just wasting your time. The condescending and sarcastic replies are beyond annoying.

I noticed...and you're right. Kind of a waste of time. Out of 10, I'll find 2 level headed individuals (doesn't matter if they agree with me or not).

Thanks for the heads up. I ride pretty much everyday, and what matters most is that I keep learning, improving and having fun.


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[Genesis]

Actually i take issue with this, as per my previous comment. You attempted to lump in all riders on how you feel every time you get on your bike. You later attempted to 'elaborate' on this but in actuality what you said simply holds no water. It was direct and to the point, there is nothing else to glean from it.

We should just agree to disagree at this point..

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[PrivatePilot]

Genesis, your a new member, this site is full of egotistical riders whose opinions reign supreme,

This site is also full of highly experienced riders with exceptional amounts of experience crossing decades, so yeah, when a newbie comes along and tries to dictate how he knows more/better to the been-there-done-that crowd, don't be surprised when feathers get ruffled.

Not interested in knowing.
Won't need to know either.

Go re-read my earlier reply, specifically the over confidence and "I'm invincible" parts. I hope you're right, though, but 100% of people who crashed their motorcycles never planned to crash their motorcycles, and 100% of people who became disabled as a result never planned to become disabled from a motorcycle accident.

 

[Oppoe]

This site is also full of highly experienced riders with exceptional amounts of experience crossing decades, so yeah, when a newbie comes along and tries to dictate how he knows more/better to the been-there-done-that crowd, don't be surprised when feathers get ruffled.

Which newbie was trying to dictate the experienced guys? Genesis was just expressing his opinion and reasoning about why he rides an r6 as a first bike, you guys dont agree and talk down to him like hes stupid. Swallow your pride and lower your ego, people have different opinions than you do, right or wrong, experienced or not

 

[bigpoppa]

Generally when you go to an interview....the guy with the most/exceptional experience gets the job...

Why would it be any different on a motorcycle?

Riders who have been at it for 20-30 years probably know a thing or two, have lots of experience and have seen all manner of things

There's a reason why all the old dudes say the stuff they say...(like starting your riding career as a cocky newbie on a race bike might end badly)

Not even a full season and already we have seen...:

"I've reached a deeper level of relationship with the bike"
"Every "newbie" I know, (including myself at one point)" :lmao:

"And yes, I think "I'm that guy" who won't crash. "



Brah, i know its painful, but a season = still a newbie

Thats why you have to wait a bare Minimum of 18 months before you can get your M


(for the record i am fairly new as well, i just have the foresight to learn from the mistakes and wisdom of others who have far more experience than me)

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