Not that Pramac Ducati was ever a contender, but they've basically thrown up the white flag on one of their bikes before they even started 2014.
Also, Yonny Hernandez must be bringing serious money with him too. Certainly enough to fund the seat.
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Not that Pramac Ducati was ever a contender, but they've basically thrown up the white flag on one of their bikes before they even started 2014.
Also, Yonny Hernandez must be bringing serious money with him too. Certainly enough to fund the seat.
They will probably use it to test the standard ECU, since they have to run it on all bikes in 2015.
It's pretty well accepted as fact that the Hondas are the better bike right now, and have been all season. The Yamaha has improved over the last few races (new engine with more power and seamless transmission), which has brought it closer - but it's still Lorenzo making the difference.
Rossi makes up time with hard braking and passing on the brakes, which is a Yamaha weakness currently. Lorenzo has compensated with more corner speed and consistency - he isn't happy with the braking either. Tire longevity is also a problem, as Yamaha relies on the edge grip more than the Hondas. This is why they're better able to compete on a cold track.
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N3WMAN
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The only place Marquez was gaining on the Jorge at Motegi was on the brakes, and even then it wasn't a large gain. The Honda doesn't seem to pull on the Yam at all down the straight like it used to.
The bikes are pretty damn close. Swap rider's around and I don't think the result would be much difference.
The bikes are pretty damn close. Swap rider's around and I don't think the result would be much difference.
I think there is more difference between each part of the race than between the Yamaha and Honda. Early on the Yamahas had the slight edge, then the Hondas gained performance mid-race, then they dropped back towards the end. First DP then MM. In previous races the Yamahas had the advantage, it looked like VR could keep up with the Hondas but then he'd drop back, they'd gain ground on Jorge and then pass him before the end.
People say marques charged mid-race and then gave up, but it was all down to his bike's performance from the looks of things. He was always giving 100%. IMO the riders are more equal and more consistent than the bikes over the course of a race.
People say marques charged mid-race and then gave up, but it was all down to his bike's performance from the looks of things. He was always giving 100%. IMO the riders are more equal and more consistent than the bikes over the course of a race.
Accepted as fact by whom?
soto
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I think he said in an interview that he more or less gave up because lorenzo was riding on the limit and for marquez it wasn't worth the risk trying to keep up.
No doubt for now lorenzo is the best rider.
soto
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Riders and media both say this. I think crutchlow's analysis of the bikes is pretty good.
This. There are very few people (I don't know of any) that think the Honda is worse.
Yep, Marquez had better lap times going into his braking incidents. He gave up on the last 4 laps because he was very close to crashing, and he decided it was smarter to not try and catch him.
Marquez often gains a tenth or so per hard braking zone...or at least that's what I've seen. Lorenzo's latest engine seems to have almost equal power to the Hondas, but this is hard to tell, since the engines aren't always run at full power for traction and fuel reasons.
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Well I read pretty much every available interview and watch all pre and post press conferences and articles and except for Lorenzo I don't recall anyone really saying that recently.
I guess when I asked "accepted as fact by whom" i was expecting links and not just other members opinions, maybe too much to ask!
No one thinks the honda is worse, "on par" is the statement made
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soto
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Crutchlow's take: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/honda-vs-yamaha-handling-horsepower-motogp/
Rossi's take: http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-d...ines-the-changes-he-needs-to-win&newsid=10188
Nobody's trying to take credit away from your boy Marquez, they all praise him
Rossi's take: http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-d...ines-the-changes-he-needs-to-win&newsid=10188
Nobody's trying to take credit away from your boy Marquez, they all praise him
Did you fully read both of those links?Crutchlow's take: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/honda-vs-yamaha-handling-horsepower-motogp/
Rossi's take: http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-d...ines-the-changes-he-needs-to-win&newsid=10188
Nobody's trying to take credit away from your boy Marquez, they all praise him
Rossi kept mentioning braking.
Crutchlow said Yamaha and Honda both had their strong aspects according to the focus each manufacturer have gone with. Yamaha is strong off the line and high corner speed, the Honda is strong on Braking and acceleration, he says that it is hard for the Yamaha to pass a honda but you have to remember this article was from June, since then the Honda got the seamless gear box and in 4 months of development the bikes now are on par, each will always have its strong points compared to other.
Also, if you have a motogp subscription, you can watch the race from the on board cameras, I can tell you that the Honda is no longer faster than the Yamaha on corner exit, you can see Lorenzo as fast or even faster than Marques exiting every corner.
Marquez is not my boy, I am just tired of this crying baby mentality of guys like Lorenzo and Stoner, even Pedrosa, bunch of primadonas and a bad example for the sport. Marquez has taken so much heat and all he does is smile, take the ********, not say anything and go out and win races, and that is why he is on top.
Good discussion anyways.
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soto
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Yes Yamaha has improved. Nobody is saying it's garbage. But when small setup adjustments make the difference you need for a win, clearly every advantage counts.
I say it is generally accepted that the Honda is better because everyone reports that and nobody contests it:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109910
Specifically: "Marquez insists he is not concerned Yamaha could suddenly jump ahead of Honda in the pecking order."
Let me ask you this: which bike would you rather compete on?
I say it is generally accepted that the Honda is better because everyone reports that and nobody contests it:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109910
Specifically: "Marquez insists he is not concerned Yamaha could suddenly jump ahead of Honda in the pecking order."
Let me ask you this: which bike would you rather compete on?
Suzuki does not have a motogp ride right now
lol I am not good enough of a rider to answer that question
I'd pick Ducati just so I have an excuse
I think that's why Cal made the decision he made... and oh yeah... $$$
I'd pick Ducati just so I have an excuse
My excuse is I never even raced. If it weren't for that, I'd be the best EVAR!
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SweetOnion
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I didn't think that there were this many people out there that really thought the Honda and Yamaha are on par with each other. I have been in the idea the Honda has been better since a couple years ago when they brought the seamless transmission... seemed like Yamaha has been playing catch up ever since, in terms of bike performance... at least to me. They are definintely as close as they've been since FIAT was the sponsor, currently.
They pulled out in 2011 when Rossi went to Ducati. No Italian rider on the team.
