Motogp 2013

N3WMAN said:
TC is no substitute for skill. Never has been, never will be.

TC is merely another tool in the toolbox.
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I think it is a substitute for *a* skill. Obviously TC has nothing to do with having the balls and skill to brake at the limit and tip in at speed, but look at pedrosa's high side. Tip it in, and mid corner just crank it wide open (can just imagine how big pedrosa's eyes got when he cranked it open only to hear 250 hp spin up with no cut out lol). While there is only so fast you can go in the middle of a corner, i think TC plays a huge role in terms of tire wear and making it to the checker at pace.
 
FriendlyFoe said:
I think it is a substitute for *a* skill. Obviously TC has nothing to do with having the balls and skill to brake at the limit and tip in at speed, but look at pedrosa's high side. Tip it in, and mid corner just crank it wide open (can just imagine how big pedrosa's eyes got when he cranked it open only to hear 250 hp spin up with no cut out lol). While there is only so fast you can go in the middle of a corner, i think TC plays a huge role in terms of tire wear and making it to the checker at pace.
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I agree it makes the bike go faster, and in a way makes the bike safer to ride. However, it will not substitute for riding skill as previously mentioned.

Everyone runs TC, and the aliens are still the aliens. Bradl and Bautista are even on the same spec bike and you don't see them turning the TC to 11 and smoking Pedrosa.
 
N3WMAN said:
I agree it makes the bike go faster, and in a way makes the bike safer to ride. However, it will not substitute for riding skill as previously mentioned.

Everyone runs TC, and the aliens are still the aliens. Bradl and Bautista are even on the same spec bike and you don't see them turning the TC to 11 and smoking Pedrosa.
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Manual traction control with your wrist IS a riding skill. Having a computer do it for you makes that skill obsolete. Without TC, some riders will be able to put the power down better than others and their relative lap times will vary in one direction or the other. Most likely the aliens will be even further ahead than everyone else.
 
soto said:
Most likely the aliens will be even further ahead than everyone else.
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I would agree.

I remember there was lots of talk that when MotoGP moved to the 990cc, the field was going to bunch up because of all the electronics that were being introduced into the sport at the same time.

It seems though no matter the spec, the best is always the best.
 
FriendlyFoe said:
I think it is a substitute for *a* skill. Obviously TC has nothing to do with having the balls and skill to brake at the limit and tip in at speed, but look at pedrosa's high side. Tip it in, and mid corner just crank it wide open (can just imagine how big pedrosa's eyes got when he cranked it open only to hear 250 hp spin up with no cut out lol). While there is only so fast you can go in the middle of a corner, i think TC plays a huge role in terms of tire wear and making it to the checker at pace.
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I get your argument. But you could consider riding to the bike to maximum effect of the electronics a skill too.

So you're really substituting one skill (riding without TC) for another (riding with TC).

Had Pedrosa known his TC was cut off, he would have adjusted.
 
Chaos said:
I get your argument. But you could consider riding to the bike to maximum effect of the electronics a skill too.

So you're really substituting one skill (riding without TC) for another (riding with TC).

Had Pedrosa known his TC was cut off, he would have adjusted.
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Yes but one of those skills is far more exciting both for the rider and the for the spectator.
 
soto said:
Yes but one of those skills is far more exciting both for the rider and the for the spectator.
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I disagree, Think about all the accidents that used to occur before TC, think of a championship who the front runners were the 2 ducattis, and a bunch of Satelite bikes because the top guys crashed and are out of the championship due to injury.

They could never ride as fast as they do and lap at the times they do without TC. To me that is excitement
 
Unpredictability is what makes racing exciting! Do you push more and risk the crash? Maybe the tortoise will beat the hare this time.

Surely safety is improved just with passive measures like airbags in the suits etc.

The electronics now aren't just about safety, they're about performance and the better electronics will make you faster.
 
soto said:
Unpredictability is what makes racing exciting! Do you push more and risk the crash? Maybe the tortoise will beat the hare this time.

Surely safety is improved just with passive measures like airbags in the suits etc.

The electronics now aren't just about safety, they're about performance and the better electronics will make you faster.
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Sure, when it is predictable it is boring - but removing the electronic controls like TC will not make the races unpredictable in a very positive way. It will be a very common occurrence to see the riders with the nerve to test the limits crashing out, as used to be seen very much in the past.

Safety after crashing is not very safe - TC helps keep all that power in check and allows the riders the ability to ride the bikes harder and faster, and not have to take so much care to keep it from spinning out.

I mean, look at rodeo. You strap a man to a raging bull and only ask him to sit steady for 8 seconds, because the damn thing is crazy. A bike without TC is the same thing, and to have the riders pull out 45 minute runs at the pace an consistency they do now is just as nuts.

I'm all for the electronics components in so far that they help keep the rubber and lap times down. These aren't autonomous vehicles after all, and it really does come down to the rider.
 
Why are guys like Collin Edwards still riding? He rarely finishes in the top 10 and with the CRT bikes he is at the back of that pack.
Why are there a few other guys riding in MotoGP that get lapped?
Perhaps they need to let some other ppl get a chance to ride.

Johny Ray on a Tech3 or other satellite bike or even better factory ride would be fun to watch.
 
-D- said:
Why are guys like Collin Edwards still riding? He rarely finishes in the top 10 and with the CRT bikes he is at the back of that pack.
Why are there a few other guys riding in MotoGP that get lapped?
Perhaps they need to let some other ppl get a chance to ride.

Johny Ray on a Tech3 or other satellite bike or even better factory ride would be fun to watch.
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You could slap anybody on any of those bikes and they'd still get lapped.

The reason most elder statesmen are still around is because they bring sponsorship and backing to whatever team they go to. They have many connections in and out of the industry that can be helpful to newer teams. Also, the older riders can give better input as far as testing and developing a new package as they have ridden superior machinery in the past and know what works.

Oh and it's Johnny Rea.
 
-D- said:
Why are guys like Collin Edwards still riding? He rarely finishes in the top 10 and with the CRT bikes he is at the back of that pack.
Why are there a few other guys riding in MotoGP that get lapped?
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Huh? You do know this is a two-class race, right? And that the CRT bikes are heavily handicapped?

Also, Colin Edwards at the back of which pack? You do know he is 2nd behind Espargaro this year?
 
If Nicky went to Honda, then I have Dani and him to cheer for. Right now I just have Dani :( He needs to grow some balls.

I hope with is title chances going down the shitter he really steps up his game and just rides the **** out of the honda and shows MM what he has.
 
Domon said:
If Nicky went to Honda, then I have Dani and him to cheer for. Right now I just have Dani :( He needs to grow some balls.

I hope with is title chances going down the shitter he really steps up his game and just rides the **** out of the honda and shows MM what he has.
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Yeah now is the time to push his limit, when he's basically out of the championship. Too late for DP to show MM what he has.

MM is the future!!!
 
ZX600 said:
Ha, Damn it, I was looking forward to Hayden on the Aprilia but him on a honda might bring some more fight to the front guys, at least from Positions 4 and up.
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Wooo this is exciting:)
 
If Dani or anyone else for that matter, knew the traction control was off he would have either crashed or lost a few seconds a lap. It would take him at least a full practice session to get used to it.

I like Rea but there's no way in hell he's going to be offered a competitive ride. What has he done? Bryan Starring who is always near the back of the back is a 3 time Australian champion. Spies beat the most dominant american champ ever for several years. Edwards, two time wsbk champ. The list goes on and on.
 
Re: The Hayden to Honda story... This was talked about before Aprilia was ever mentioned. The difference now is that he would ride the Production Racer for Aspar instead of LCR. As for American Honda's part in it, they were the only reason he was signed to Repsol. The fact that they are a huge market for Honda it gave them a ton of influence over the decision and it seems like they still have his back. The problem is that they don't have any money. They couldn't raise the funds to put him on the bike with LCR so I don't see how they'll do it with Aspar.

Another thing that may have made Hayden reconsider is Stoner's recent test on the bike where he was only a half second off the RC213V.
 
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