Hwy 400 wheelies 3 riders arrested

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Professor Baher Abdulhai, director of the Intelligent Transportation Systems Centre at the University of Toronto

Intelligent Transportation Systems? Really?! Really??? In Toronto??? Our traffic lights work like crap, there is no system behind them. Even small towns in Europe have proper green lanes (i.e. you drive given speed, say 60, you will always hit green light). Here in Toronto, you get green, and the light 200m down the road (for the condo, which just got built) turns red in your face. Same for next 4-5 lights. I wonder what they do at that Intelligent Centre. What a joke.
 
Wheelie shmeelie....400 series hwy mid day = maybe dumbass
Texting or talking on your phone 400 series hwy mid day = should be publicly flogged
 
Professor Baher Abdulhai, director of the Intelligent Transportation Systems Centre at the University of Toronto

Intelligent Transportation Systems? Really?! Really??? In Toronto??? Our traffic lights work like crap, there is no system behind them. Even small towns in Europe have proper green lanes (i.e. you drive given speed, say 60, you will always hit green light). Here in Toronto, you get green, and the light 200m down the road (for the condo, which just got built) turns red in your face. Same for next 4-5 lights. I wonder what they do at that Intelligent Centre. What a joke.

Well there's the problem!! You just solved everything Viper, good job man! :D
 
165 is not fast. Most modern mid size cars and mid size bikes can easily cruise at those speeds. There are many US highways with the speed limits at 80 mph. Ontario is full of to many losers.

It's not fast for YOU.
 
A witness stopped a police officer around 4:05 p.m. to report the motorcyclists.

Probably some outside lane hogger who spilled their coffee and dropped their cell phone when they saw the hooligans doing the wheelies. They probably then proceeded to cut across 3 lanes of traffic without checking their blindspots or indicating to go running to the policeman like a little *****.
 
Well there's the problem!! You just solved everything Viper, good job man! :D
Actually, in Petawawa, if we had that solution, it would work.

We have about 3000 people, all trying to get off the base at the same time at the end of the day. 2/3 are going through one of the only 2 ways out. It's just a normal 2 lane road through the center of town. So it's well over 1000 cars all at the same time. The problem isn't the amount of people, as everyone up there does the "zipper" effect and it WORKS. The issue is all the lights in town (all 3 of them) and the way they are timed. If they were timed green for longer, for those going in the direction off base, congestion would be brought down. The way the roads are laid out, you could still get around for those people going perpendicular to the off base traffic.
If you think your traffic sucks, I have to wait until 4:30 every day (over an hour after I'm off work) to leave the base or I sit in traffic for 45 mintues to go about 6 km. If they would just time the lights appropriately, everyone would be moved and off the roads in 30 minutes.
 
I agree with what you're saying about McGuinty, he's a nazi.
As far as raising the speed limits....maybe not. If everyone was a capable driver, it'd be great but the sad fact of the matter of it is that we share the roads with people who can barely drive at 60 km/h that are allowed on 400 series highways. Thats the real problem.



^+1, or at least a significant part of the problem(s) on any roads/hwy's.
 
I think that before people get a license to drive a car, they should spend some time on two wheels (even on a bicycle, is enough to show how idiotic and ignorant car drivers can be), and they should spend some time in the cab of an 18-wheeler (because they have their own issues with how car drivers behave).

I also think that anyone at-fault in all but the most minor collision should lose their drivers license and start over from zero at their cost ... not just pay the 150 bucks or whatever it is to re-instate it. Purpose: Force them to re-read the driver's handbook. Force them to re-take the written tests. Force them to re-take the road test. Yes, I know the current driver licensing system is a joke and that people act differently in a test than they do afterward ... but a significant number of people don't appear to even KNOW the right-of-way rules, nevermind actually pay attention to them.

Someone honked at me from behind the other day, because I committed the cardinal sin of stopping at a red traffic signal prior to making a right turn.
Yep. I spend my early 20's driving truck. I learned so much about traffic patterns and behavior because of it. I can read what move someone is about to do before they signal or make the actual move just by the way they approach. However, people still surprise me with their stupidity.

You sir need to give your head a shake .... I actually always worry about getting rear ended in those situations. It's like what do I watch first the front of the car or the rear? ....
uhm... you STOP. You make sure that YOU cover YOUR *** for YOUR liability. Make sure you're not going to run over grandma crossing the street, or stick the nose of your car out and have it ripped off by a bus. If the guy behind you hits you, it becomes HIS issue and HIS insurance.
Not saying don't be a defensive driver, but don't drive like an idiot for other people.
I got rear ended on the 401. I managed to stop in time for stopped traffic, and saw the idiot behind me not going to stop in time. I made sure that I had space in front of me for when he hit me (which he did) that I wouldn't be pushed to the car in front of me, making me also guilty of following too close.
 
Fair enough, I know next to nothing when it comes to this sort of thing. I figured bein locked up is being locked up.

in theory or in practice? never heard of anyone actually getting jail time for 172.
 
Actually, in Petawawa, if we had that solution, it would work.

We have about 3000 people, all trying to get off the base at the same time at the end of the day. 2/3 are going through one of the only 2 ways out. It's just a normal 2 lane road through the center of town. So it's well over 1000 cars all at the same time. The problem isn't the amount of people, as everyone up there does the "zipper" effect and it WORKS. The issue is all the lights in town (all 3 of them) and the way they are timed. If they were timed green for longer, for those going in the direction off base, congestion would be brought down. The way the roads are laid out, you could still get around for those people going perpendicular to the off base traffic.
If you think your traffic sucks, I have to wait until 4:30 every day (over an hour after I'm off work) to leave the base or I sit in traffic for 45 mintues to go about 6 km. If they would just time the lights appropriately, everyone would be moved and off the roads in 30 minutes.

It doesn't sound like it'd be terribly difficult to make such a change happen in a metropolis the size of Petawawa... write some letters.
 
and for the record, 172 wasn't about cash. It was to address a perceived flaw in the justice system whereby there is no way to get a driver off the street pending a serious driving charge.

It is this perceived flaw ( that is sometimes legitimate ) that lead to the administrative suspension for 0.05 BAC.
 
and for the record, 172 wasn't about cash. It was to address a perceived flaw in the justice system whereby there is no way to get a driver off the street pending a serious driving charge.

It is this perceived flaw ( that is sometimes legitimate ) that lead to the administrative suspension for 0.05 BAC.


It was moral panic after that cab driver was killed on mount pleasant by a couple of kids racing. Were the kids going too fast, certainly. Do cab drivers roll into intersections, a lot. The prosecutors framed it as a rich justice vs. poor justice thing, and the AG saw it as the moment to hop on the soap box and promote the street racing legislation while doing a huge favour for Il Duce Fantino (the Duke of Woodbridge), politically it was win-win. Same guy behind the pit bull ban. He's been in the news lately over an altercation in which a courier was killed.

It's like there is a bed-wetters lobby or something.
 
油井緋色;1882637 said:
I know you were being sarcastic but you come off as a fairly intelligent person so you may realize this as well: things haven't changed much since elementary school. They are just happening with a much larger "fenced off" area.

Actually no, I wasn't being in the least sarcastic. All this talk about 'snitches' is bloody comical. How far does it go? If you know that one neighbour is stealing from another, do you keep your mouth shut? Do you ignore it if you see someone breaking into a car? Small wonder we have the society and problems that we do today.

We aren't on the playground anymore.
 
I don't speak for Toronto, but lights on the major streets in Hamilton works very well.


Professor Baher Abdulhai, director of the Intelligent Transportation Systems Centre at the University of Toronto

Intelligent Transportation Systems? Really?! Really??? In Toronto??? Our traffic lights work like crap, there is no system behind them. Even small towns in Europe have proper green lanes (i.e. you drive given speed, say 60, you will always hit green light). Here in Toronto, you get green, and the light 200m down the road (for the condo, which just got built) turns red in your face. Same for next 4-5 lights. I wonder what they do at that Intelligent Centre. What a joke.
 
HTA172 was passed on the heels of a street racing death at the height of the Fast/Furious craze, and we all bent over and took it like the nice little Canadians that we are.

I wonder what percentage of charges are ACTUAL street racing? What a joke... and some people here actually support it :lol:

Actually it was a moral panic caused when a drunk driver ran a red in front of some teens going above the limit, but within reason, certainly not racing. It was presented as "street racers killed a family" - they sure learned their lesson from Tony and W on that one :cool:
 
Snichs get stiches

Really? And if the 'snitch' helps find your, or your buddy's bike that gets stolen?

It's funny but the same people here that call out snitches and complain about people reporting to the police will be crying foul and for witnesses if their property gets damaged, stolen, etc. same goes for people bitching about the cops and then they need them because their stuff is messed with.
 
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