Panigale vs. S1000RR vs. RSV4

[murf]

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Ive always liked the Beemers looks.
It looks better than all the Jap bikes Ive had.
I like all these Eurosports looks, but I admire the BMW
For its performance and beating the japs at their own game,
Something the Italians cant do.

 

[arsenalrocks]

Please, don't compare your suzuki to BMW, honestly those two are not even on the same level. Have you ever driven a suzuki car, and do you know how poor their fit and finish are? I have driven a suzuki and I own a BMW.

the S1000RR is only 1-2000 more expensive than the jap bikes, you must be dreaming when you say "my GSX-R just stomps it for less than half the cash". Please, be realistic man, your fully modded GSX-R might get close to a stock BMW (since you are almost 20whp down to begin with), but when you install all the OEM racing parts from BMW HP like the full exhaust, racing ECU etc, the S1000RR will pull away from your bike like a CBR125 pulls away from you running.

its just that simple.

Honestly, that extra 10hp is in a place that almost nobody can make use of. You can't ride it like a 750 because it's got too much power, but if you don't then you can't use it. And on the track, my GSX-R just stomps it for less than half the cash... but of course it doesn't have all the "safety stuff" on it.

I know it's contrarian but the S1KRR has never really impressed me, and I'm a guy who used to be *all about* top end power. Somewhere along the line I learned that there is a lot more to enjoying a bike than that.

If straight line power is what you are after, get a '99 Hayabusa and add a turbo system. Total investment of around $10K and you will stomp everything this side of pro drag bikes like a bug. Just sayin'.

 

[murf]

Honestly, that extra 10hp is in a place that almost nobody can make use of. You can't ride it like a 750 because it's got too much power, but if you don't then you can't use it. And on the track, my GSX-R just stomps it for less than half the cash... but of course it doesn't have all the "safety stuff" on it.

I know it's contrarian but the S1KRR has never really impressed me, and I'm a guy who used to be *all about* top end power. Somewhere along the line I learned that there is a lot more to enjoying a bike than that.

If straight line power is what you are after, get a '99 Hayabusa and add a turbo system. Total investment of around $10K and you will stomp everything this side of pro drag bikes like a bug. Just sayin'.

Edit: Just read that moto-usa review... interesting how one magazine got totally different numbers for the Aprilia. Just sayin'... but they turned a low 10 @ 140 and change with the standard bike, no variable intakes like on the Factory. I wonder if this is the same bike that Roadracing World got, and it's been abused to the point where it's not working its best anymore.

Thats the thing, the BMW makes more thrust everywhere.

 

[S1000RR]

I see my fellow Beemer riders have found this thread.... hallelujah!

 

[S1000RR]

Ive always liked the Beemers looks.
It looks better than all the Jap bikes Ive had.
I like all these Eurosports looks, but I admire the BMW
For its performance and beating the japs at their own game,
Something the Italians cant do.

+1 :headbang:

 

[mmmnaked]

Ive always liked the Beemers looks.
It looks better than all the Jap bikes Ive had.
I like all these Eurosports looks, but I admire the BMW
For its performance and beating the japs at their own game,
Something the Italians cant do.

:lol: might wanna gander at Ducati and Aprilia history in GP and WSBK. They wipe the floor with the Japanese.

They dont win on a dyno though, thats whats most important to the posers

 

[C-Note]

At least we aren't talking about R1's anymore =D

 

[mmmnaked]

Last 10 years of WSBK racing, 7 championships went to the Italians... and most of those included an even 1000cc playing field in which the 999 smashed the competition. Gotta give credit where its due... the Italians most certainly do posses the ability to build winning bikes, just not on the dyno.

 

[murf]

:lol: might wanna gander at Ducati and Aprilia history in GP and WSBK. They wipe the floor with the Japanese.

They dont win on a dyno though, thats whats most important to the posers

I didnt know you or anyone else on here were on the world superbike grid!
I thought we were talking about street bikes not $200000 factory race bikes.
I apologize.
Where is the street bike, trackday hack forum?

 

[dricked]

Please, don't compare your suzuki to BMW, honestly those two are not even on the same level. Have you ever driven a suzuki car, and do you know how poor their fit and finish are? I have driven a suzuki and I own a BMW.

the S1000RR is only 1-2000 more expensive than the jap bikes, you must be dreaming when you say "my GSX-R just stomps it for less than half the cash". Please, be realistic man, your fully modded GSX-R might get close to a stock BMW (since you are almost 20whp down to begin with), but when you install all the OEM racing parts from BMW HP like the full exhaust, racing ECU etc, the S1000RR will pull away from your bike like a CBR125 pulls away from you running.

its just that simple.

One problem, CSBK is limited to 190hp so to race it here your limited to mods. I have the same bike as shamen (but its the b bike) and believe me none of what you said happens. Out of the box power is very different to the power of these modded sbks. Watch some AMA, Larry Pegrams bike isn't flying away from everyone and they don't have the same hp restrictions. Fit and finish yes the BMW is nicer.

 

[mmmnaked]

I didnt know you or anyone else on here were on the world superbike grid!
I thought we were talking about street bikes not $200000 factory race bikes.
I apologize.
Where is the street bike, trackday hack forum?

:lol: you said the Italians can't make bikes to compete with the Japanese... I've smacked down your ignorant opinion.

I don't own an Italian bike so Im not at all biased or personally vested in this little circle-jerk.... Ducati and Aprilia have made some of the winningest bikes in the history of motorcycle racing. We're talking about superbikes here, what better measure of performance is there than winning races? And if that doesn't matter, then performance doesn't matter at all, because we're talking about street bikes where +/- 10hp at 12,000rpm and 100mph is absolutely meaningless.

So sit down and relax, fanboy

 

[murf]

I just speak to the Bike data we can buy.

 

[mmmnaked]

Data being more important than the ability to win races, obviously :lol:

I forgot youre all about the "thrust" curves and what-not..

 

[S1000RR]

:lol: you said the Italians can't make bikes to compete with the Japanese... I've smacked down your ignorant opinion.

I don't own an Italian bike so Im not at all biased or personally vested in this little circle-jerk.... Ducati and Aprilia have made some of the winningest bikes in the history of motorcycle racing. We're talking about superbikes here, what better measure of performance is there than winning races? And if that doesn't matter, then performance doesn't matter at all, because we're talking about street bikes where +/- 10hp at 12,000rpm and 100mph is absolutely meaningless.

So sit down and relax, fanboy

You're right about Ducati and Aprilia having a history in winning races, inarguably true! Besides that Ducati has build a spirit/loyalty around its brand that few other manufacturers can imitate. (forget motoGP where Ducati sucks, Aprilia doesn't compete and the Japs dominate the whole thing) Ducati would probaly be the ferrari/porsche amongst bikes...

Allthough racing is where manufactruers show their abilities it can't be used as a benchmark for streetbikes. I agree with murf that translating results from WSBK to streetbikes is a bit too much. It's really hard to say the Japs or the Italians are better at building bikes, they both are really good at it, and the germans are now proving in a short period of time that they are approaching/matching that level. Conclusion: yes Italians sure know how to build high class sport bikes, but they are not the only ones...

 

[mmmnaked]

All the superbikes are beyond capable for street use and the differences in peak hp, to me, are utterly irrelevant. How often is your S1000RR at 12k on the roads?

Who gives a damn, ride what moves you.

 

[FriendlyFoe]

I've never ridden either but would kill too everything i've read talks about the bmw feeling bigger, not as flickable, but best at soaking up the bumps, where as the aprilia feel more like a GP bike that wants to back into corners. Keep your 10hp, you'll just get passed on the brakes =D. Love watching the buell's in AMA, probably the best example of bikes being strong in different areas. There's more to racing then outright power, it is nice to have for that final drive to the straight tho.

We are talking about using these bikes for their intended purposes right? Because if we're talking about driving to tims i laugh at the idea of even considering the difference in 10 hp at those power levels. Good for bragging rights but thats about it.

 

[Dr.Manhattan]

All the superbikes are beyond capable for street use and the differences in peak hp, to me, are utterly irrelevant. How often is your S1000RR at 12k on the roads?

Who gives a damn, ride what moves you.

This. If you are comparing Street Bikes, in terms of performance you are looking at such small changes that the average rider will never really comprehend. You telling me that mid-range power, or that extra 12 HP is gonna matter on the street ?, get off your armchair dude. You are comparing highly tuned machines, all extremely well made, and if you want to really nit pick the differences, I feel the most important feature you can say about any are differences in comfort. If you really want to compare to how a bike opens up at 12K RPM compared to the other bike, you obviously better take it to the track, because on the street, any 1000 can get you where you want faster then it ever should.

 

[Shaman]

Please, don't compare your suzuki to BMW, honestly those two are not even on the same level. Have you ever driven a suzuki car, and do you know how poor their fit and finish are? I have driven a suzuki and I own a BMW.

Suzuki cars and Suzuki bikes are two different things. I'm OK with the fit and finish on the bikes that I plan to beat the snot out of, FWIW.

for less than half the cash". Please, be realistic man, your fully modded GSX-R might get close to a stock BMW (since you are almost 20whp down to begin with), but when you install all the OEM racing parts from BMW HP like the full exhaust, racing ECU etc, the S1000RR will pull away from your bike like a CBR125 pulls away from you running.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd you're totally effing wrong. That bike pictured earlier has Marchesini wheels and an Akrapovic full system on it. I eat it up and that's AFTER he pulls a bike length on me off the hairpin, because I don't have fancy traction or wheelie control.

The only thing simple is your knowledge of motorcycles. Let me know when BMW makes an engine approaching 15:1 compression for pump gas. That'll be fun to watch as it grenades and pukes 3.5L of oil onto its rear tire.

All the superbikes are beyond capable for street use and the differences in peak hp, to me, are utterly irrelevant. How often is your S1000RR at 12k on the roads?

*DING* How many of my friends tried to get away from me on my 750 and found themselves pulling 30 feet down the straights (street or track) only to have my front wheel right at their footpeg in every corner? Sure I had 25hp less, but did it matter? It takes a long straight or a long track to see any real advantage in peak 25hp.

But 15hp+ and brutal torque everywhere in the rev range like a race-built motor vs. a stock one? Oh yes. You'll see a difference there. Although I'm sure arsenalrocks will say no.

We are talking about using these bikes for their intended purposes right? Because if we're talking about driving to tims i laugh at the idea of even considering the difference in 10 hp at those power levels. Good for bragging rights but thats about it.

Where do you figure most of the BMW fanbois sit on that scale? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!

No bike is faster than the rider on it... except maybe down a long straight... where a $10K turbo Hayabusa will own you like a little b!tch, if that's what you're into.

 

[FriendlyFoe]

No bike is faster than the rider on it... except maybe down a long straight... where a $10K turbo Hayabusa will own you like a little b!tch, if that's what you're into.

I know i would make any litre bike slower just by getting on it. So a 10 hp difference between superbikes, thats probably what 5 km/h top speed down a back straight? How many people commentiing on said 10 hp have ever brought a litre bike from 300 down to 80 with the back wheel in the air on bumpy pavement? Unless you were an expert racer i dont see why in the world you would care about 10 hp on something with a 3:1 weight/power ratio.

i want to say i'd probably get the bmw for a street bike, because its less sharp, but in all reality i would never buy a pure SS bike for the street because sitting in traffic on one would make me seriously reevaluate my decision making skills.

 

[Shaman]

Unless you're a pro rider, you'll probably be no faster than a guy on a 600 down the straight, by the time you've stopped the liter bike from rearing up, spinning and trying to spit you off. I'm not going to lie and say the BMW has no advantage over many other stock bikes in power, but I am absolutely going to say that very damned few average riders could exploit it anywhere without a 2000+ foot straight and tapping deep into the bike's ABS. The only reason most of those that do exploit it can, is that the bike is built with wheelie and traction control. I have to use my rear brake, right wrist, body position and brake feel, I wouldn't know what to do with all those electronic nannies, but I'm willing to learn.

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