Panigale vs. S1000RR vs. RSV4

Which bike do you like most?

  • Panegale

    Votes: 34 38.2%

  • S1000RR

    Votes: 29 32.6%

  • RSV4

    Votes: 26 29.2%
  • Total voters
    89
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Good lord... Anyone who brings up Ducati's WSBK success is certainly drinking the red kool aid. The Japanese manufacturers abandoned the series for a few years because the rules were so biased in favour of the Ducatis.
 
If someone on an S1000rr is faster than me, it's because they're a better rider not because of the bike. I have no problem admitting that.
 
mmmnaked said:
:lol: might wanna gander at Ducati and Aprilia history in GP and WSBK. They wipe the floor with the Japanese. They dont win on a dyno though, thats whats most important to the posers ;)
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Amen to that. Its quite the opposite. Then Italians make world championship winning bikes with half the budget of the japs. Companies like ducati, aprilia and ferrari are racing manufacturers that build quality street bikes to help fund their racing.
 
mmmnaked said:
:lol: you said the Italians can't make bikes to compete with the Japanese... I've smacked down your ignorant opinion. I don't own an Italian bike so Im not at all biased or personally vested in this little circle-jerk.... Ducati and Aprilia have made some of the winningest bikes in the history of motorcycle racing. We're talking about superbikes here, what better measure of performance is there than winning races? And if that doesn't matter, then performance doesn't matter at all, because we're talking about street bikes where +/- 10hp at 12,000rpm and 100mph is absolutely meaningless. So sit down and relax, fanboy ;)
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I absolutely agree with this. If others still have doubts, go to the lower classes cc's like 250cc and I'm sure aprilia has that pretty well handled as well
 
In the end all these bikes are great and have their strong points. Buy whichever one makes you smile the most whether its sitting in the garage, on a country road , or tearing up a track
 
redridernl said:
Good lord... Anyone who brings up Ducati's WSBK success is certainly drinking the red kool aid. The Japanese manufacturers abandoned the series for a few years because the rules were so biased in favour of the Ducatis.
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When did they abandon? They are there now no? There is always skepticism when certain manufactures are doing really well for many years. Just look at f1 with ferrari in the millenium and redbull of recent years. Rules were changed consistently to bring down the teams/engineers who built the better car. Of course the teams not winning are going to complain. Whoever can design and build the better bike/car whithin the specs and parameters of the rules, usually wins. When they engineer a great part that works and gains an advantage everyone else cries foul. Racing technology filters down to street bikes, so yes street and track are valid comparisons IMO What are the rules that favor ducati? btw I have no assosciation to any brand and don't own any
 
dieselxx said:
When did they abandon? They are there now no?
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That's the problem with people talking about Ducati's racing success who have only followed the sport for a few years and have no idea of even fairly recent history and the politics involved.

With most of the field running Ducati motorcycles, the championship received the derogatory title "the Ducati Cup".[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] The factory Ducati Team entered the only 2 Ducati 999's in the field, taking 20 wins from 24 races in a season where all races were won by Ducati. Neil Hodgson won the title on a factory Ducati.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superbike_World_Championship
 
Ducati has won several championships in WSBK but even if you don't count the years when they were practically the only ones there, they had riders like Fogarty and Bayliss who would have won regardless of what they were riding. Edwards won two championships on a Honda and would have won more if he stuck around. It's the same thing with Spies. I can't see how anyone could have beaten him if he had stayed in the series.
 
redridernl said:
That's the problem with people talking about Ducati's racing success who have only followed the sport for a few years and have no idea of even fairly recent history and the politics involved.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superbike_World_Championship
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I hardly find it ducatis fault that the japanese fled to moto gp because the rules favoured them there instead. Like I said earlier, winning championships is based on who builds the better bike whithin the parameters of the rules, and who puts a competent rider on the back of it.

In moto gp I doubt hardly that the 800cc rules of years past favoured any ducatis. They built an engine around that cc rule. Thats what good manufacturers do. They build good enngines and bikes regardless of whether they have a comparable street bike that they have that fit those rules.

BTW I've been following all forms of motorsports since I was a child, and frequent at least a few races a year around the world whether it be f1, american lemans, moto gp or superbike.
So I am not someone that just start watching last year
 
I'd have to pick the RSV4, the S1000RR guys seem to be such fricking fanbois, won't shut the **** up, so I wouldn't want to associate myself with them. I prefer a quiet dignity.
 
There is always going to be some biased things and favouritism in motorsports. Lets take moto gp as an example. This year a rookie rule was in place so that no rookies entering the sport could get a factory drive right off the get go. Not a bad idea in my opinion. However,
in a spanish run sport (Dorna) CEO Ezpeleta now wants to scrap that rule. Coincidence I think not. Marquez is doing really well and probably going to make the big jump to moto gp. So lets scrap this rule so he can start at Repsol(spanish) honda and partner Pedrosa (Spanish) to have an all spanish repsol honda. All this while guys like Stefan Bradl who is having a great season considering his hardware had to start at the bottom.

I'm getting a bit off topic here lol. Lets just stick with the which bike you prefer now. We all have our preferences
 
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dieselxx said:
I hardly find it ducatis fault that the japanese fled to moto gp because the rules favoured them there instead. Like I said earlier, winning championships is based on who builds the better bike whithin the parameters of the rules, and who puts a competent rider on the back of it.

In moto gp I doubt hardly that the 800cc rules of years past favoured any ducatis. They built an engine around that cc rule. Thats what good manufacturers do. They build good enngines and bikes regardless of whether they have a comparable street bike that they have that fit those rules.r
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Pssst. They're talking about wsbk, not moto gp
 
dieselxx said:
BTW I've been following all forms of motorsports since I was a child, and frequent at least a few races a year around the world whether it be f1, american lemans, moto gp or superbike.
So I am not someone that just start watching last year
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You didn't know that Ducati had the grid to themselves for a couple of years. That does make a difference. When the big four came back suzuki won and Honda won two out of three years before they left.

dieselxx said:
LOL LMFAO......ps3 all the way
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This speaks volumes. lol
 
redridernl said:
You didn't know that Ducati had the grid to themselves for a couple of years. That does make a difference. When the big four came back suzuki won and Honda won two out of three years before they left.



This speaks volumes. lol
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I was being sarcastic at the time of the post about abandonment lol. I guess I should have worded it differently.
And I guess you are an xbox fanboy lol. I have both:lmao:
 
last time(which was last night) I checked BMW is dominating the world superstock 1000 series, which is more related to the stock bikes.
And they are not doing too badly in the superbike series either.
The WSBK bikes are so much different than the stock bikes you purchase from the dealership. Everything from suspension to electronics are almost completely different. We can talking about at least 50-70k Euro worth of upgrade over the stock bikes.
 
and all the shootouts include track performance, MCN said the 1000RR is almost 2s faster than the 1199s at Monza.
Seriously, I am not biased, I am just a messenger, I present the facts, the data and a simple and logical conclusion.
Cry, cry me a river, lol
 
mmmnaked said:
Data being more important than the ability to win races, obviously :lol:

I forgot youre all about the "thrust" curves and what-not..
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Yes actual data is better than an opinion.
And what make won the Canadian Superbike championship which is much closer to the bikes we buy of the showroom floor and can actually recreate without spending $200000 like in world superbike?
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