This is physically impossible, I can show up with a smart car(low tech option) a Jeep grand Cherokee or a Mercedes C63 that will outstop your bike(Or any other bike)on ANY surface.
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This is physically impossible, I can show up with a smart car(low tech option) a Jeep grand Cherokee or a Mercedes C63 that will outstop your bike(Or any other bike)on ANY surface.
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Physics states there is more energy to be disipated by larger vehicles. Surface friction or the Brakes are disipating that energy.
and a car has significatnylu more surface contact on the road, and braking surfaces.
plus we've already been over this.
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?75851-Car-vs.-Motorcycle-stopping
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Are you sure about this?
Thought this was an interesting car vs bike braking comparo. A F650GS (not a sport bike) vs your typical mainstream Honda Accord sedan.
Keep in mind, the 650GS only has a single disc on front.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfffXkoJvUU
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You conveniently forget your own arguments when replying to different people.
You haven't learned any new physics in the last few hours so i digress.... you don't understand the laws of physics.
Yes, I am sure.
In my googling I quickly found that that particular BMW performs very well in braking tests such as that. One test i read stated that it was 119 feet for 60mph-0. A very good result in Bikeland. Most bikes, even sport bikes that have "wicked good brakes bro" require 130 feet or more.
I also said that generally cars perform better. I am sure there are cars out there with braking set ups that are relatively weak. It turns out that the Edge I drive requires 135 feet but a Jeep Grand Cherokee requires 117 feet.
apparently bikes can go down on ice with the slightest lean, no braking required. this vid seems to demonstrate. the rider also seems to be going too fast given the road conditions.
http://bikerpunks.com/mediaviewer/3409/riding-icy-roads-ends-with-a-hard-crash.html
http://bikerpunks.com/mediaviewer/3409/riding-icy-roads-ends-with-a-hard-crash.html
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This is physically impossible, I can show up with a smart car(low tech option) a Jeep grand Cherokee or a Mercedes C63 that will outstop your bike(Or any other bike)on ANY surface.
Wrong ....
so at a higher speed of 118 kph the BMW 650 stopped in 58 meters
at a lower speed the Holden took 65 meters - so NOT any car.
at a slower speed the the Landcruiser did well at 55 meters.
and some direct comparisons 60 mph to 0
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This is from another board, but quite frankly I was surprised. The XB series was well out of the top 10.
I was always under the impression that the ZTL system was a bit superior to the hub mounted systems.
" These figures represent the top 10 shortest 60-0 stopping distances tested by Motorcycle Consumer News (Dec. 2003 issue).
1. 1999 Triumph Speed Triple 106.7'
2. 1997 Suzuki Marauder 800 107.6
3. 1997 Yamaha YZF600R 108.2
4. 1998 Ducati 750 Monster 109.1
5. 1998 Suzuki TL1000S 109.4
6. 2002 Honda VTX 1800 109.5
7. 2002 Harley V-Rod 109.5
8. 1998 Buell M2 Cyclone 109.6
9. 2003 Triumph Speed 4 109.7
10. 2002 Ducati Monster S4 109.8
Yes, your bike is probably WORSE.
Here are some car numbers from places like MotorTrend, AutoWeek, etc.
2002-2004 Honda Civic Si 60-0 128'
2003 Tiburon GT 122'
2003 RSX-S 133'
2003 Celica GTS 129'
2000 Ford Explorer 2-Door 134'
2003 Honda Pilot 131.08'
1999 Chevy Cavalier 4 door 139'
2004 GTO 120'
I would suspect both cars and bikes have gotten better -
and some of your choices are not great at braking
versus
Naw uh!
My bike stops so fast in the winter that I arrive at my destination before I left the house.
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Looked like a sport bike with most like sport bike tires. If the bike was an adventure/motard with their tires probably a different story.
depending on the surface. SS tires, more surface area for better traction on tarmac. motard tires, less surface area but deeper tread for better traction on dirt/sand/mud. anyone heard of a "winter/ice" tire for bikes?
suppose you get your motard tires studded. it will work great on ice, but as soon as you get on tarmac you have no traction.
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Stop tailgating and leave lots of room between you and the car in front, no problem. On questionable roads, ride the speed limit of 80 kph. On freeways, stick to the slow lane and leave lots of space between you and the car in front. The point is to get where you going.
On a side note, two threads related to winter riding prior to this were flamed and trolled into closure a few weeks back. So far the trolling, baiting and flaming has been kept in check.
The question is which can stop faster and in the other thread it was nicely covered off and matches with the track results from a weight versus friction standpoint.
Yes there are many many variables but flat out panic stops are about the same on a bike or a car with ABS on dry pavement and the bike has some agility the car does not.....case in point I was able to go around a situation safely WITHOUT a panic stop whereas in the car it would have been all anchors out and not likely successful ( dip in the road ).
IN my view it's a moot point as keeping your distance obviates the need for panic stops.....and keeping an eye on the tailgater behind you ( had to flash the brakes at a guy tonight ) reduces the braking comparison in real life occurences
Wet is another matter and I will give it to the cagers tho with ABS I suspect again it might be close in controlled conditions .....the lighter bikes might outdo the cars......and some riders can outdo the ABS.
I have yet to garner the courage to do a full ABS brake grab in the wet tho I thought about tonight being nicely Michellin Man garbed.
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wut about unforeseen circumstances? again im not stopping you from riding thru winter. are you gonna ride thru winter?
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I have riden in minus temperatures. At those temps the salters and sanders are out. Also moisture is sucked up by the dry air. The grey area is when the temps are hovering around zero and wet roads turn to ice. Alternatively, being caught riding in snow or on track bare roads. These are the challenging conditions. The klx250sf is designed to be dropped and picked up again that the type of bike suited for the winter. There are some suzuki's and BMW's to look at, if the interest is in a bigger bike.
Macdoc,
now, lets add water or ice to your distances and see what happens
the C63 is not a C350 sport(there is a BIG difference)
the C63 stops from 60mph in 113 feet, my grand cherokee does it in 116(SRT-8 brake option)
now, lets add water or ice to your distances and see what happens
the C63 is not a C350 sport(there is a BIG difference)
the C63 stops from 60mph in 113 feet, my grand cherokee does it in 116(SRT-8 brake option)
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