Snake Rd. turn 3 claims another victim

[Rob MacLennan]

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The only lesson I learn from this forums time after time is don't tell thebpeople here you f'ed up unless you want to be put under the gtam microscope and picked apart. Sorry your the only one on this forum that has messed up o.p. what's that like anyway?

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Quite the opposite in this thread, I think. What the OP is getting, by and large, is the sort of advice that a new rider can use. Sure, some are dumping on him, but there's some good value here. If more people would come her eand honestly say, "I screwed up" and ask for some help, there's be a lot more help given and a lot more learnt.

*EDIT* And by the way, my experience at such things was obtained at the cost of much skin and a broken bone, or two, so I'm far from perfect. It's sometimes nice to be able to help someone else avoid learning in the same way.

 

[rafiki911]

lol no one is saying they are perfect and if fact they are trying to help and give advise so that the downed rider can improve. The downed rider also seems to want and like the advise he is been given thus far...

The OP is not the person that went down by the way.

The only lesson I learn from this forums time after time is don't tell thebpeople here you f'ed up unless you want to be put under the gtam microscope and picked apart. Sorry your the only one on this forum that has messed up o.p. what's that like anyway?

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[Brian P]

The only riders I ever were truly comfortable with riding on the street all had fairly extensive track experience too.

Pretty much the same here, although I've encountered a few riders who were good on the street and then went on to track days, and did pretty well there, too. The thing in common, though, is that they know how to handle the bike ... and they also know when to exercise discretion.

When you know what a bike can do, you can react more appropriately when something unexpected happens. When you know you're nowhere near the limits of traction you can make course corrections mid corner should you encounter something unexpected, you don't panic and grab a fist full of brake.

And part of being nowhere near the limits of traction, is being on the correct cornering line!

The flipside of the correct cornering line being the fastest line, is that it is also the line that places the lowest demands on the tires at a given (i.e. below the outright limit) cornering speed. In fact, the reason it is the fastest line, is that it places the lowest demands on the tires, thus allowing cornering speed to be increased, if the rider chooses to do so. Visibility through the corner is another factor but at least in this particular case, the correct line for minimizing demand on the tires is also the one that maximizes visibility through the corner and it also maximizes distance from oncoming traffic in the portion of the corner where it is hidden to some extent.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

The OP is not the person that went down by the way.

Ah, right. Forgot who started the thread.

 

[caboose56]

Ah, right. Forgot who started the thread.

Who is talking?! The nurses are stealing my medicine!! Get off my lawn!

 

[Fizzr]

Who is talking?! The nurses are stealing my medicine!! Get off my lawn!

LOL :happy10:

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Who is talking?! The nurses are stealing my medicine!! Get off my lawn!

It's easier to explain why you pointed the gun at the kids on my lawn, if I can claim a little age-related vacancy every now and then

Where are my prunes.

 

[Venom01]

Quite the opposite in this thread, I think. What the OP is getting, by and large, is the sort of advice that a new rider can use. Sure, some are dumping on him, but there's some good value here. If more people would come her eand honestly say, "I screwed up" and ask for some help, there's be a lot more help given and a lot more learnt.

*EDIT* And by the way, my experience at such things was obtained at the cost of much skin and a broken bone, or two, so I'm far from perfect. It's sometimes nice to be able to help someone else avoid learning in the same way.

I was sorta aiming that at the few. However I have noticed that the few seem to be the same few that always seem to carry the same attitude towards other newer riders. No names needed I guess.

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[dblEspresso]

I took the introductory course for the M2, and one track course. Although the former was the most viable way of entering the sport, the latter felt like much better value for my money, i.e I learned a hell of a lot more per dollar spent. I was already familiar with most of the theory taught in the intro course from reading Proficient Motorcycling, etc. In retrospect, it was mostly an opportunity for seat time in a safe environment on a bike that could be dropped. I think I would have done just as well if I could have borrowed an old bike and rode around an empty parking lot for a weekend or two. None of the insurance companies I spoke to cared that I took the course, either.

The track course, on the other hand, felt almost overwhelming at times. You could virtually hear the sucking sound as I and the other students pulled valuable information from the heads of the instructors. It was also humbling to see how effortlessly the instructors could glide around corners that felt so challenging for me, and indeed, got the better of me a couple times. I'm eager to take another track course next season, but skeptical of street courses -- except possibly that police training course someone mentioned this summer.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

It's easier to explain why you pointed the gun at the kids on my lawn, if I can claim a little age-related vacancy every now and then

Where are my prunes.

You ate them. The appropriate question would be "what's this stain?".

I'm the OP, and living in Bridgeview Survey, I see/hear/hear about all the crashes. Just happened to come across this one at the time on my way home from work. My advice was pretty sensible. The pavement's cold this time of year, the condensation in the valley comes in earlier with the shorter days, and you should back it down a notch through that section in the early evening regardless of traffic (which is always a bit more frequent around dinner time).

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I'm eager to take another track course next season, but skeptical of street courses -- except possibly that police training course someone mentioned this summer.

Don't be. A good street-related course can teach you a lot about the flipside of riding, that a track school doesn't. Track schools don't teach you anything about the sort of low speed manoeuvring, that you have to do on a daily basis. An advanced street riding class can teach you how to deal with mid-corner obstructions, how to roll along at less than a walking pace, and do slow turns in a radius less than you would be able to even walk the bike around, upright, at full lock. I didn't just pull those out of my butt; they were all taught at the Humber Pro Rider course.

You ate them. The appropriate question would be "what's this stain?".

Whew! Saved, once again, by Depends.

 

[caboose56]

It's easier to explain why you pointed the gun at the kids on my lawn, if I can claim a little age-related vacancy every now and then

Where are my prunes.

When i was a lad Wonderland was surrounded by farm land! There was also an apple orchard in Burlington just southeast of Harvester Rd and Guelph Line. Milton also had 30,000 people and ended at Thompson Rd.

Kids these days don't listen. I blame it on the vidierr games!

 

[jc100]

I think the difference is you just don't have the options here. More people will take a track course as that's what's available. I like the sound of the police course in the US but that's a bit far for me. I have friends in the UK that are great riders who have taken the advanced street courses as they give breaks on insurance....many of them have no interest in racing, they'd rather tour across country and have some course dealing with different situations found on the street. I think these advanced courses differ from the ones here as you learn more about the limits of your bike too but in a street context rather than a racing context. A course that deals with skids, control, different corner situations, traffic situations, slow speed manoevers and agility and control at speed would be good for a lot of people and if it was an accredited course that actually had a reasonable failure rate, then perhaps insurance companies might be enticed to offer a discount.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

When i was a lad Wonderland was surrounded by farm land!

When I was a kid Wonderland was the big band/dance hall complex with the pool we used to go swimming at just east of Springbank Park. The Wonderland you speak of WAS farmland.

I will now refer to you as "son" in all future correspondence.

 

[dblEspresso]

how to roll along at less than a walking pace

Oh, I've got this down thanks to Toronto's horrendous rush hour.

and do slow turns in a radius less than you would be able to even walk the bike around, upright, at full lock.

I've been working on this, and can get it about 80% of the time, in part out of the necessity of navigating the ridiculously cramped garage where I park my bike. Although I'm sure some external coaching would be helpful.

I didn't just pull those out of my butt; they were all taught at the Humber Pro Rider course.

Hmm, for $166.66 I'm willing to give it a shot.

 

[caboose56]

When I was a kid Wonderland was the big band/dance hall complex with the pool we used to go swimming at just east of Springbank Park. The Wonderland you speak of WAS farmland.

I will now refer to you as "son" in all future correspondence.

At least I can appreciate Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, et al.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Oh, I've got this down thanks to Toronto's horrendous rush hour.

I've been working on this, and can get it about 80% of the time, in part out of the necessity of navigating the ridiculously cramped garage where I park my bike. Although I'm sure some external coaching would be helpful.

Hmm, for $166.66 I'm willing to give it a shot.

You'll be better at it, doing it more easily after a class.

There are tricks you can use, to improve that percentage.

It's also taught at an accredited college, so it's tax deductible as "tuition"

 

[Neil44]

me was just to make a point that it is not the bike but the rider, that starting on a 250 does not save you if you are an idiot, you will get in the same trouble than in a 600, a 600 will give you better brakes and more lean angle (maybe) but if you target fixate you will crash even riding a donkey, so stop telling people to buy ****ing 250's (not you). We are creating a generation of ****** riders, but that's just my opinion.

listen i wasnt being an idiot

 

[Neil44]

This is the only post that hints at the real cause of the problem - riding street roads as if it were a test track. The funny thing is the rider involved suggests that the oncoming traffic should have moved over to give him more room as if it was oncoming traffic's fault that he was travelling too fast on a 50 kmph road and taking the corner "too sharp" (his words) to be able to react to the presence of that oncoming traffic.

The OP should count himself lucky - how many rider fatalities on public roads happened this year precisely because some fool though it would be fun to place Rossi on public roads? Live by the sword....

i never said it was his fualt

 

[turbodish]

i never said it was his fualt

No you didn't. But you did say this:

Rob i think your right about seeing a oncoming car and you thinking that you have to move for them because even if i did come in to sharp if needed he could have moved himself to save me but again i think that was just lack of experience mabe.

You also mentioned that it was your third run down the street. That suggests "play time".

By all means take advanced riding courses to learn proper riding skills and to learn something about your limits. But even after taking courses and gaining all the experience in the world, there's a place for pushing your limits, and it's not on the street.

Again, too many people go down every year while "playing" or engaged in "spirited" riding on the street. It's not the place to do it. There's little forgiveness factor when you have virtually zero run-off, when you have oncoming traffic, and when your needless excesses put others at risk.

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