People wanting to destroy evidence of HTA 172 charges?
Snake Rd. turn 3 claims another victim
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People wanting to destroy evidence of HTA 172 charges?
But I though 250's didn't crash...ever, hence why everyone is always telling new riders to get them, no comprendo
killerkeith
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So you're able to do 100kph around that hairpin the forks?
Hardly, but there are places on Snake......
killerkeith
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OK, so no video.
I live 5 minutes from the top of Snake and hung my head when I read the title. Fantastic that this was just an expensive learning experience.
definitely an expensive learning experince hah really is to bad i look out side today and im so ****** i cant ride in this weather. but this crash deffs gonna help me make better decisions while riding make me a safer rider thats if i can convince my parents to let me get a 600 for next season
I live 5 minutes from the top of Snake and hung my head when I read the title. Fantastic that this was just an expensive learning experience.
definitely an expensive learning experince hah really is to bad i look out side today and im so ****** i cant ride in this weather. but this crash deffs gonna help me make better decisions while riding make me a safer rider thats if i can convince my parents to let me get a 600 for next season
after crashing the civic, the natural progression is to buy a corvette.
might wanna get a good lid too while you're at it.
FWIW, turn 3 or any other turn on snake road is like every other corner on a European roadSome ppl are making it out to be the hardest corner on the continent lol.
Hey! I just checked, this is a different continent. It could be the hardest......
Red_Liner740
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i still dont understand what him riding a SS has anything to do with it? Did he grab too much brake and the powerful and grabby SS brakes locked up and he lowsided? No.
Did he go in WAY too hot for the corner because the SS acceleration and top speed allowed it? No, a 125 CBR has enough giddyup to cause issues in that corner.
so in what sense or way did him riding a powerful sporbike add to the issue? would him entering the same corner at the same speed and trajectory with a cruiser be better? dual sport? BICYCLE? no. because he reached HIS limits and not the bikes. the truth is, a SS IS the best bike to get you out of a tight jam IF you can utilize it fully. I'm sure the bike had way more lean left...
so why is it that everytime someone target fixates and crashes the first thing you look for in the post is what bike he rode?
Did he go in WAY too hot for the corner because the SS acceleration and top speed allowed it? No, a 125 CBR has enough giddyup to cause issues in that corner.
so in what sense or way did him riding a powerful sporbike add to the issue? would him entering the same corner at the same speed and trajectory with a cruiser be better? dual sport? BICYCLE? no. because he reached HIS limits and not the bikes. the truth is, a SS IS the best bike to get you out of a tight jam IF you can utilize it fully. I'm sure the bike had way more lean left...
so why is it that everytime someone target fixates and crashes the first thing you look for in the post is what bike he rode?
me was just to make a point that it is not the bike but the rider, that starting on a 250 does not save you if you are an idiot, you will get in the same trouble than in a 600, a 600 will give you better brakes and more lean angle (maybe) but if you target fixate you will crash even riding a donkey, so stop telling people to buy ****ing 250's (not you). We are creating a generation of ****** riders, but that's just my opinion.
This is the only post that hints at the real cause of the problem - riding street roads as if it were a test track. The funny thing is the rider involved suggests that the oncoming traffic should have moved over to give him more room as if it was oncoming traffic's fault that he was travelling too fast on a 50 kmph road and taking the corner "too sharp" (his words) to be able to react to the presence of that oncoming traffic.
The OP should count himself lucky - how many rider fatalities on public roads happened this year precisely because some fool though it would be fun to place Rossi on public roads? Live by the sword....
Actually no, the rider DID NOT suggest that the other vehicle should have moved over for him. He said that HE had to, that the other vehicle could have moved over, but he acknowledged that it was HIS fault. His post isn't the easiest in the world to read, but he never used the word "should."
That's implying he knows proper race lines. I doubt he knows the proper lines not having done a track day or lessons and only done the road a few times...
Nonsense. The real problem is incorrect cornering line followed by panicking and target-fixating. No one said anything about the correct cornering line being a "racing" line. And I'll practically guarantee that at no time did the rider in question ACTUALLY reach the limits of what the bike could do if it were being operated correctly rather than erroneously. It has already been explained in this thread (by myself and several others) what the correct line through that corner is and why, and it's got nothing to do with speed. The wrong line, is the wrong line. The wrong line puts the rider unnecessarily close to the center line early in the corner, which can lead to a close encounter with oncoming traffic (which can lead to panic). The wrong line forces the rider to do an abrupt direction change partway through the corner, where it tightens up, although inexperienced riders may opt to slam on the brakes and either lowside or straighten up and go straight into the guardrail instead (some combination of which, is apparently what happened here). The correct line places the rider on the far opposite side of the road from oncoming traffic until the point where it is possible to see through the rest of the corner. If you do that, the decreasing radius is not a concern because you can see it coming, and oncoming traffic is as little of a concern as it is possible to make it - a car in its own lane won't be an issue, and even a car mildly over the centerline won't be an issue. A hypothetical car that is ALL THE WAY IN THE ONCOMING LANE (the rider's lane) is impossible to do anything further about because the rider will have no escape between the car and the guardrail anyway - but at least the correct line through that corner would give the rider and the idiot driver as much time to see each other and react as it is possible to get.
The correct way to LEARN about cornering lines ... is to take a roadracing course.
Because racetracks are as narrow as double lane roads and have traffic moving at you in the opposite direction with all the extra hazards of a suburban street? If they teach you about cornering lines for situations on the street with oncoming traffic then that's great but I'm guessing most roadracing courses don't emphasise that. No insurance benefits whatsoever are gained in the UK from attending race courses....insurance benefits can be obtained by attending advanced street courses as the industry sees the value in one but not the other. I wish they did the same here (reduced insurance rates for an advanced street course).
Many insurance companies have given up on giving discounts, for taking courses of any type.
Both have their place. Street oriented courses, like the Humber College Pro Rider course, help you deal with the day-to-day issues encountered on the street. They rarely talk about the technicalities or physics of riding though.
Track schools work on absolute ability, to ride. The help take away the fear of cornering, that results in what I call "failure to turn" related crashes. After taking a track school you're far less likely to simply 'give up' on a corner, and nail the brakes. You're also more likely to understand the various types (constant, decreasing, and increasing radius) of corners, how to read a corner, and how to properly navigate them.
I've taken both types of courses, many times, and learnt something from every one that was applicable to both street and track. Even when I took the same course, multiple times.
Venom01
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The only lesson I learn from this forums time after time is don't tell thebpeople here you f'ed up unless you want to be put under the gtam microscope and picked apart. Sorry your the only one on this forum that has messed up o.p. what's that like anyway?
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One could easily argue that they should.
Part of being a good rider on the street is knowing how to deal with traffic, the other part is being able to handle the machine well. You are correct stating that they don't teach you how to interact with traffic at all, but knowing what a big is and is not capable of can be a very valuable tool.
Mastering the former comes from experience, perhaps an advanced street riding course and the right attitude. The latter can come from an advanced street riding course but a lot of the skills learned on a race track can apply as well. The only riders I ever were truly comfortable with riding on the street all had fairly extensive track experience too.
When you know what a bike can do, you can react more appropriately when something unexpected happens. When you know you're nowhere near the limits of traction you can make course corrections mid corner should you encounter something unexpected, you don't panic and grab a fist full of brake.
