In just one hour, 10 out of 12 in the pack busted for street racing.

[overlordjd]

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So your excuse would be "everyone else is doing it, I was just doing it more"? Does that make it right or legal? Would they be the ones rolling on your throttle? Would you be in control of your bike or some anonymous speeders?

I might not agree with some laws, but I can't just ignore them because they are inconvenient to me, and neither can you.

If I break them then there is a chance that I will be caught and have some major issues to deal with. These people may not have expected to be pulled over, but they should have thought through their actions before engaging in them.

You know what the current consquences of excessive speed in Ontario can be, you need to deal with the situation and be in control.

My response was more to illustrate that what turbo implied about 172 reducing fatalities was incorrect. The streets are not in fact safer nor have people suddenly stopped driving 50 above the speed limit.

Perhaps you should go back and read the post again.

 

[Baggsy]

My response was more to illustrate that what turbo implied about 172 reducing fatalities was incorrect. The streets are not in fact safer nor have people suddenly stopped driving 50 above the speed limit.

Perhaps you should go back and read the post again.

So your response had nothing to do with the original post then? You're stating that everyone speeds and it doesn't reduce fatalities. So does that make what these people did lawful or right? There is a law on the books and it has been applied to them. What was the purpose of your post? Even if I agree with what you stated, I don't find a relation to the original post, unless you are trying to imply that those facts make it ok for those people to break the law. If that is the case then my post stands as is. Perhaps you should go back and reread it.

 

[TY-GRR]

Whats the difference between speeding and excessive speeding? All you granny panty wearing forum thugs blasting about someone speeding and suggesting that they should be punished for their behaviour need look in your own closet.

Let me guess you have never gone over the posted speed limit ever in your pathetic lives?!?!?!?!

All or most of you here are guilty of such... including myself!

Everyone has the urge to push their own limits... its human nature... some make errors... some get caught... and some are just to scared to even try. So let those do what they want to do with their lives and stop passing judgement. If they want to break the law... allow it... as they are not breastfeeding on you... and as long as you maintain who you are as individual thats all that matters.

...and I did not see any dangerous life threatening behaviour in the OP's video. Get out and ride... open that throttle for a change... you sex life might change... since that seems to be the problem with most of you here.

...carry on...

 

[jc100]

My response was more to illustrate that what turbo implied about 172 reducing fatalities was incorrect. The streets are not in fact safer nor have people suddenly stopped driving 50 above the speed limit.

Perhaps you should go back and read the post again.

Funnily enough negative statistics are the hardest to prove. You have no idea what the fatalities would be had 172 not been brought into law. Circumstantial evidence does suggest that general excessive speeding has been reduced though...and this then would suggest that fatalities as opposed to surviveable accidents would also have lowered.

 

[jc100]

Whats the difference between speeding and excessive speeding? All you granny panty wearing forum thugs blasting about someone speeding and suggesting that they should be punished for their behaviour need look in your own closet.

Let me guess you have never gone over the posted speed limit ever in your pathetic lives?!?!?!?!

All or most of you here are guilty of such... including myself!

Everyone has the urge to push their own limits... its human nature... some make errors... some get caught... and some are just to scared to even try. So let those do what they want to do with their lives and stop passing judgement. If they want to break the law... allow it... as they are not breastfeeding on you... and as long as you maintain who you are as individual thats all that matters.

...and I did not see any dangerous life threatening behaviour in the OP's video. Get out and ride... open that throttle for a change... you sex life might change... since that seems to be the problem with most of you here.

...carry on...

We do let them break the law...it's police that stop them. Or would you rather they just let them go? And thieves maybe...and carjackers....and...and....??

 

[overlordjd]

Funnily enough negative statistics are the hardest to prove. You have no idea what the fatalities would be had 172 not been brought into law. Circumstantial evidence does suggest that general excessive speeding has been reduced though...and this then would suggest that fatalities as opposed to surviveable accidents would also have lowered.

Nor can you say definitively that it is even a factor in the reduction of fatalities. Most people who would drive/ride in excess of the speed limit before 172 still continue to do so after. The only difference is some do it for the rush, some do it without a license or insurance as it has been taken away from them and are therefore more motivated than ever to run from the cops resulting in more carnage on the streets

Some of you people keep twisting the facts around. No one here is saying that these guys should not be punnished for breaking the law, but to what extent of the law for the crime commited.

 

[jc100]

Nor can you say definitively that it is even a factor in the reduction of fatalities. Most people who would drive/ride in excess of the speed limit before 172 still continue to do so after. The only difference is some do it for the rush, some do it without a license or insurance as it has been taken away from them and are therefore more motivated than ever to run from the cops resulting in more carnage on the streets

Some of you people keep twisting the facts around. No one here is saying that these guys should not be punnished for breaking the law, but to what extent of the law for the crime commited.

Is that your opinion about speeders or facts? Just wondering.

 

[turbodish]

SMH.

tell me your are not trying to attribute the reduction of fatalities on HTA172? Maybe in the first 20 minutes after the news reached the masses, but have you driven in Ontario lately?

Yes, just about every day, and putting more miles on the bike 3 seasons out of 4 than on all my other vehicles combined. Traffic has generally slowed, even on the 400 series highways.

Fatalities went down drastically after the introduction of HTA172, and they continue to fall. Did you miss the OPP news release following the Civic holiday weekend?

As of July 31, 157 people have died in motor vehicle collisions in 2011 compare to 173 in the same period for 2010, a decrease of 9.2 percent. http://www.opp.ca/ecms/index.php?id=405&nid=650​

Everytime I go on the 400 series highways, the majority of people are going in excess of 130. as I have no other means to measure this other than the speed I am going and is still being passed, they could very well be doing over 150km/h.

I think you're exaggerating about the speed of "the majority", but ok. How fast do you think they were going pre-HTA172? Like I said, highways speeds have noticeably dropped since 2007.

I'm not even going to waste any more time commenting on anything you put up. I just hope you never do anyting illegal as even to go 10km/h over the posted limit.

Ok, don't comment. As far as the 10 over comment, come on now. Are you trying to equate 10 over to 50+ or 100+ over? Seriously? Isn't that like trying to equate an inadvertent bump on the street with an all-out beat-down?

 

[KrazyBones]

HTA is not just. Break the law and go 20 over, cop won't bother. Go 50 over and have your vehicle immorally (legally currently) seized, be financially penalized before being proven guilty and possibly go to jail. Anyone that argues for this law is just as retarded as the law itself.

 

[turbodish]

HTA is not just. Break the law and go 20 over, cop won't bother. Go 50 over and have your vehicle immorally (legally currently) seized, be financially penalized before being proven guilty and possibly go to jail. Anyone that argues for this law is just as retarded as the law itself.

You know what the answer is then, right? Don't do 50+ over. Better yet, keep under 20 over.

Anyone who knows the penalties and then goes ahead and risks them anyways is just as retarded as they think the law itself is.

 

[overlordjd]

illegal is illegal or does that not fit you double standards?
to your argument, breaking the law is breaking the law and going 10 over is just a lower degree of breaking the law as opposed to going 50 over.

Before your friend jumps on the band wagon and gets all over my post. The statement is in reference to some of the self righteous statements made by certain individuals who like to talk about disregard for the law.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Fatalities went down drastically after the introduction of HTA172, and they continue to fall. Did you miss the OPP news release following the Civic holiday weekend?

As of July 31, 157 people have died in motor vehicle collisions in 2011 compare to 173 in the same period for 2010, a decrease of 9.2 percent. http://www.opp.ca/ecms/index.php?id=405&nid=650​

A one-time freak occurrence does not equal a trend, unless we're dealing with turbostatistics based on figures published by a party that has lots to gain and nothing to lose by enforcing this unjust law... If I take a morning dump an lose 3lbs as a result doesn't mean I'll waste away to nothing in under 3 months

 

[overlordjd]

A one-time freak occurrence does not equal a trend, unless we're dealing with turbostatistics based on figures published by a party that has lots to gain and nothing to lose by enforcing this unjust law... If I take a morning dump an lose 3lbs as a result doesn't mean I'll waste away to nothing in under 3 months

we will just have to wait and see if the number goes up next year at this time what stats he will attribute the increase to. could it be the fact that alot of people choose not to drive as much anymore due to an increase in gas price? or did you convenienly not look at those factors in order to push your turbofacts?

 

[turbodish]

A one-time freak occurrence does not equal a trend, unless we're dealing with turbostatistics based on figures published by a party that has lots to gain and nothing to lose by enforcing this unjust law... If I take a morning dump an lose 3lbs as a result doesn't mean I'll waste away to nothing in under 3 months

turbostatistics? Still not able to grow up?

The sharp downward trend in the 12 months following the Sept 2007 implementation of HTA172 was followed by a more moderate continuation of that trend in the next 12 months, as well as the following 12 months after that to result in a triumphant three-peat. Now despite the best attempts to foil the downward trend by some drivers and riders in the first week of August, Ontario is well on its way to achieving four consecutive years of falling road fatalities.

Now, you (once again) cast doubt on the source of the stats. I suppose it would be pointless to ask if you have some credible alternative source of information to refute those stats, given that you have never been able to do so in past when challenged.

 

[OpenGambit]

turbostatistics? Still not able to grow up?

The sharp downward trend in the 12 months following the Sept 2007 implementation of HTA172 was followed by a more moderate continuation of that trend in the next 12 months, as well as the folllowing 12 months after that to result in a triumphant three-peat. Now despite the best attempts to foil the downward trend by some drivers and riders in the first week of August, is well on its way to making it fours consecutive years of falling road fatalities.

Now, you (once again) cast doubt on the source of the stats. I suppose it would be pointless to ask if you have some credible alternative source of information to refute those stats, given that you have never been able to do so in past when challenged.

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Can you also provide BC stats as well following the implementation of their excessive speed law (40 km over).
Also it would be helpful to see the three years previous. to see if it was an upward or downward trend as a baseline.

 

[2500Express]

So I guess my post was insulting and got deleted? Turbo calling people retarded for daring breaking the law is not insulting then eh? This forum is a joke.

 

[Paul]

So I guess my post was insulting and got deleted? Turbo calling people retarded for daring breaking the law is not insulting then eh? This forum is a joke.

Where did Turbo call someone retarded? Report it instead of whining!

 

[2500Express]

Geez, post #190, insulting krazybones. All i did was make a point and used the word turbodouche, which I think was hilarious. Everyone here is so touchy...

 

[turbodish]

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Can you also provide BC stats as well following the implementation of their excessive speed law (40 km over).
Also it would be helpful to see the three years previous. to see if it was an upward or downward trend as a baseline.

When I looked up BC stats last year and the year before, BC was the province with the second-best (behind Ontario) improvement in fatality rates. I'll have to dig to find the actual numbers.

 

[overlordjd]

Everyone here is so touchy...

:lmao:

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