WOW! Near death rear end collision! :0 SCARY!

muay_thai_dan

muay_thai_dan

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...some of you may have come across this video, but WOW, this is scary. Don't let this be you! ...Smart move going to the shoulder to stop.

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Yep - my worst fear and I ALWAYS allow forward motion space ( either side of the car ahead ) and watch my rearview mirror.
Had an overloaded U Haul truck occupy the space I was in at a traffic light.
I saw the situation developing and moved over and he screeched and shuddered to a stop part way through the light in the lane I had been in.
 
People, seriously, before posting a video, PLEASE CHECK MULTIMEDIA SECTION. This video is OLD. If the video was posted on youtube in APRIL, there is a great chance that it was already posted here.
 
Scary ****... pretty straight stretch of road too. How does the truck driver not notice all the stopped cars and bikes on the side of the road? From the sound of the tires, it doesn't sound like the truck driver even noticed until a few meters behind the car!
 
sixstring said:
Scary ****... pretty straight stretch of road too. How does the truck driver not notice all the stopped cars and bikes on the side of the road? From the sound of the tires, it doesn't sound like the truck driver even noticed until a few meters behind the car!
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true but id say its the cars fault or maybe even the bikers if that is what held up the car. there doesn't seem to be any reason to stop there that i can tell. confusing
 
brucewayne said:
true but id say its the cars fault or maybe even the bikers if that is what held up the car. there doesn't seem to be any reason to stop there that i can tell. confusing
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What? It's a clear dry day. The truck is at fault no questions asked. There is literally zero excuse for rear ending someone like that. Maybe the bike in front just survived a tank slapper. maybe there were deer in the ditch waiting to bolt across the road. The point is that I have a right to slow and stop without being clobbered from behind.
 
Wasted said:
What? It's a clear dry day. The truck is at fault no questions asked. There is literally zero excuse for rear ending someone like that. Maybe the bike in front just survived a tank slapper. maybe there were deer in the ditch waiting to bolt across the road. The point is that I have a right to slow and stop without being clobbered from behind.
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as a whole yes you are right, its the trucks fault. however in that video there doesn't seem to be any reason for the car to stop. anytime you stop and there is no sign saying to do so... these things can happen. yes you have to pay attention and stop/slow down if the person is doing the same in front of you but what reason is there in THIS video? supposedly its a funeral procession which isn't good enough imho. that is just being polite. there is no real physical reason to stop in this road. being polite on the road can cause problems because only 2 parties can understand what is going on.
 
brucewayne said:
as a whole yes you are right, its the trucks fault. however in that video there doesn't seem to be any reason for the car to stop. anytime you stop and there is no sign saying to do so... these things can happen. yes you have to pay attention and stop/slow down if the person is doing the same in front of you but what reason is there in THIS video? supposedly its a funeral procession which isn't good enough imho. that is just being polite. there is no real physical reason to stop in this road. being polite on the road can cause problems because only 2 parties can understand what is going on.
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That's ridiculous. There is no excuse for the truck to have slammed into the back of that car. period. It's someone not paying attention to driving.
There is more than 10 second from the time the brake lights come on to when the truck hits the car. Conservatively estimating the trucks speed to be 80kph that leaves over 220 meters to stop. There is no weather factors and there is a clean sight line. Rear ending someone like that is inexcusable.
I don't need a sign to tell me not to hit the guy stopped in front of me.
 
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That's ridiculous. There is no excuse for the truck to have slammed into the back of that car. period. It's someone not paying attention to driving.
There is more than 10 second from the time the brake lights come on to when the truck hits the car. Conservatively estimating the trucks speed to be 80kph that leaves over 220 meters to stop. There is no weather factors and there is a clean sight line. Rear ending someone like that is inexcusable.
I don't need a sign to tell me not to hit the guy stopped in front of me.
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im not sure of the speed or stopping distance but after looking at it again yes he did have quite sometime to stop. the car was slowing down and/or stopped for about 10 seconds and was stop for at least 4 of those. yes you are right about that. however, the truck can see over that car and can see that there is nothing ahead of that car which should prevent it from continuing to go forward, and brake lights on a nice bright day like that are not easy to be seen, especially from a distance.

that said, i still don't think there was any good reason to stop in this situation and the car driver could have prevented this accident by abiding by rules of the road. placing blame is one thing but surviving or avoid an accident is another. i don't care about blame i care about survival when i drive/ride.

if anyone wants to stop on the road for no reason, that is their call...... but they should know that this can happen. hopefully theyll survive the accident and then they can be happy that they weren't at fault in the accident.
 
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im not sure of the speed or stopping distance but after looking at it again yes he did have quite sometime to stop. the car was slowing down and/or stopped for about 10 seconds and was stop for at least 4 of those. yes you are right about that. however, the truck can see over that car and can see that there is nothing ahead of that car which should prevent it from continuing to go forward, and brake lights on a nice bright day like that are not easy to be seen, especially from a distance.

that said, i still don't think there was any good reason to stop in this situation and the car driver could have prevented this accident by abiding by rules of the road. placing blame is one thing but surviving or avoid an accident is another. i don't care about blame i care about survival when i drive/ride.

if anyone wants to stop on the road for no reason, that is their call...... but they should know that this can happen. hopefully theyll survive the accident and then they can be happy that they weren't at fault in the accident.
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Well, now that's a different point all together from your first. I made no comment as to whether it was smart or not. You tried to attribute fault to the car which I think is ludicrous as it was 100% the fault of the truck driver. We'll never know why the first bikes stopped which made the car slow and then stop. You can assume all you want but my point it that I have a right to slow or stop if I feel it necessary without being rear ended. It's not up to the driver behind me to dictate what they think is an allowable reason for me to stop. The guy in the truck wasn't paying attention and wrecked 2 cars as a result.
 
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People, seriously, before posting a video, PLEASE CHECK MULTIMEDIA SECTION. This video is OLD. If the video was posted on youtube in APRIL, there is a great chance that it was already posted here.
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Sorry! Will do next time...got impulsive :o
 
Wasted said:
Well, now that's a different point all together from your first. I made no comment as to whether it was smart or not. You tried to attribute fault to the car which I think is ludicrous as it was 100% the fault of the truck driver. We'll never know why the first bikes stopped which made the car slow and then stop. You can assume all you want but my point it that I have a right to slow or stop if I feel it necessary without being rear ended. It's not up to the driver behind me to dictate what they think is an allowable reason for me to stop. The guy in the truck wasn't paying attention and wrecked 2 cars as a result.
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i do attribute fault to the car, not 100% but i don't think the truck is 100% at fault either. people should be conscience of whats around and behind them. that is how I personally view accidents. regardless of law and right... i think everyone in an accident could have done something to prevent or lessen the damage done. you do have the right to stop, thats the right of way... the bigger truck has the right of weight to run you over. i don't think people should treat accident like its black and white, that an "im right, your wrong" mentality. i bet that person in the car has relived that accident many many times in their head and has a list of things they could have and would have done differently.

i get what your saying, yeah the rear ender takes the blames in most cases including this and understandable from a legal standpoint.
 
brucewayne said:
i do attribute fault to the car, not 100% but i don't think the truck is 100% at fault either. people should be conscience of whats around and behind them. that is how I personally view accidents. regardless of law and right... i think everyone in an accident could have done something to prevent or lessen the damage done. you do have the right to stop, thats the right of way... the bigger truck has the right of weight to run you over. i don't think people should treat accident like its black and white, that an "im right, your wrong" mentality. i bet that person in the car has relived that accident many many times in their head and has a list of things they could have and would have done differently.

i get what your saying, yeah the rear ender takes the blames in most cases including this and understandable from a legal standpoint.
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The right of weight to run you over???? That's not serious is it?
Try this scenario on for size. Helmet cam was broken off from the bike ahead and is trying to catch up. His buddies, having lost sight of him decide to pull over and make sure he's okay. As they slow and pull to the right the car begins to slow. The bikes are looking around for their buddy, helmet cam, but the driver of the car doesn't know that. "Are the trying to turn around? Did they miss that street back there, are they going to pull back out into the road?" While ensuring that it is in fact safe to overtake the motorcycles (because there is no safe escape route to the left) mr pickup is clipping along trying to find that new bieber song on his overly complicated touch screen stereo and at the last second looks up to sees that mr responsible car driver has stopped for the safety of the bikers ahead. Who had stopped for the safety and concern of their good friend helmet cam.
How could that accident have been avoided by anyone but the a**hat in the truck?

I've heard every line in every book about for 'it's not my fault because...' And I've yet to hear one that justifies rear ending someone. It ALWAYS boils down to lack of attention.

Old granny jones locks em up to avoid hitting a squirrel and you hit her. Too bad you were following too close.

Mr 4x4 SUV slid on the snow and ice and rear ended you. Too bad you weren't driving to road or weather conditions.

Every rear end accident is avoidable.....as long as the person behind is paying attention.
 
okay so every rear end end accident is because of the person behind and is never the person in front... okay i got it. good luck with that, especially in downtown toronto
 
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brucewayne said:
okay so every rear end end accident is because of the person behind and is never the person in front... okay i got it. good luck with that, especially in downtown toronto
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You need to familiarize yourself with insurance guidelines. Yes, every rear-end accident is the person behind's fault, 100% of the time. ESPECIALLY in downtown Toronto. The one and only exception is if you're at a complete stop and are pushed into the car in front of you. If you're a crappy driver (which your posts strongly suggest) that's fine, but there's literally NO way whatsoever you're going to be able to justify your position. Especially on this forum and especially with someone like Wasted who works in Insurance.

Remember the Emergency Stop you did on your M, G2 and G road tests? You can do those anywhere, 100% legally and traffic behind you is obligated to SLOW DOWN and pass SAFELY.
 
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I don't think the idea behind the emergency stop drill on the drivers test was for the intention of obstructing traffic, which was what the car driver was doing. If he or she was concerned about the bikers, pull over and see if assistance is needed. At the very least if you are going to stop, use your 4 way flashers. And before anyone goes on about fault, yeah the truck driver will get 100% of the blame, but your mind set should be avoiding situations like this in the first place not who is legally to blame. Remember when you took your M/C course? Assume everyone is an idiot and trying to kill you. Lesson from this video is don't obstruct traffic. Which I don't think the car driver will ever do again.

BTW WTF was the woman bitching about? The truck driver didn't hold up the funeral procession. They were stopped before the collision. Too bad the film wasn't longer she might have said for the sake of the children:lmao:
 
Icbones said:
I don't think the idea behind the emergency stop drill on the drivers test was for the intention of obstructing traffic, which was what the car driver was doing. If he or she was concerned about the bikers, pull over and see if assistance is needed. At the very least if you are going to stop, use your 4 way flashers. And before anyone goes on about fault, yeah the truck driver will get 100% of the blame, but your mind set should be avoiding situations like this in the first place not who is legally to blame. Remember when you took your M/C course? Assume everyone is an idiot and trying to kill you. Lesson from this video is don't obstruct traffic. Which I don't think the car driver will ever do again.

BTW WTF was the woman bitching about? The truck driver didn't hold up the funeral procession. They were stopped before the collision. Too bad the film wasn't longer she might have said for the sake of the children:lmao:
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If you want to talk about accident avoidance than talk about what the person in the truck was doing. Because I'll tell you want he wasn't doing - paying attention to driving. The truck driver is the only person who should be considered when discussing accident avoidance. Everyone else is involved are innocent victims of someone who is so arrogant that they think the thousands of distracted driving studies don't apply to them. Like I posted above, he had over. 220 meters to stop and he locked up the brakes less than 10 meters before the impact. What was he doing for 200 meters? He wasn't looking at the road.
 
Well said. But I think my self preservation instinct is stronger than yours. I would myself not stop my M/C or truck dead on the road blocking a lane.

BTW what makes you think it was a "he" driving the truck? Maybe it was a woman distracted by her screaming kid in a car seat. Just saying. There are all kinds of distractions. Cell phone use is politically incorrect, but a woman dealing with kids seems to be flying under the radar.
 
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Icbones said:
Well said. But I think my self preservation instinct is stronger than yours. I would myself not stop my M/C or truck dead on the road blocking a lane.

BTW what makes you think it was a "he" driving the truck? Maybe it was a woman distracted by her screaming kid in a car seat. Just saying. There are all kinds of distractions. Cell phone use is politically incorrect, but a woman dealing with kids seems to be flying under the radar.
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The conversation isn't about self preservation. It's about fault allocation. When I pull over its on the safest section of road possible. No hills, curves, obstructed sight lines, but that's not what we're talking about here.

I started off using language like 'the truck driver' and 'the person who...' for that very reason. I slipped into using 'he' and 'him' because I'm typing on a phone and figured people would understand that it could just as easily be a woman. However, to your point about screaming kids - that could easily happen to a man or a woman. You undermine your whole point by gender stereotyping and suggesting that only a woman could be distracted by kids as they are the ones charged with those types of domestic tasks. The fact remains that distractions, no matter their origin, take concentration away from driving and cause these types of situations. Some people in this thread are looking for ways to blame the car, but I still haven't heard any reason why the person at the wheel of the truck isn't completely at fault for causing this accident.
 
Wasted said:
The conversation isn't about self preservation. It's about fault allocation. When I pull over its on the safest section of road possible. No hills, curves, obstructed sight lines, but that's not what we're talking about here.

I started off using language like 'the truck driver' and 'the person who...' for that very reason. I slipped into using 'he' and 'him' because I'm typing on a phone and figured people would understand that it could just as easily be a woman. However, to your point about screaming kids - that could easily happen to a man or a woman. You undermine your whole point by gender stereotyping and suggesting that only a woman could be distracted by kids as they are the ones charged with those types of domestic tasks. The fact remains that distractions, no matter their origin, take concentration away from driving and cause these types of situations. Some people in this thread are looking for ways to blame the car, but I still haven't heard any reason why the person at the wheel of the truck isn't completely at fault for causing this accident.
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The reason is clear NO ONE wants to take responsibility for their actions anymore. Thus they look for others to blame for their failings, (in this case paying attention to what was on the road in FRONT of them).

I too don't understand the argument it is the cars fault in some measure "as the driver wasn't aware of his surroundings". Obviously the truck driver wasn't aware of his surroundings.

This is why many insurers and many police services have gotten away from using the term "accident" they now refer to them as "collisions", Their thought process is that it is NOT an accident there are "causes" which in MOST cases are avoidable, which lead to collisions.
 
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