Windsor Hit & Run

Dd the van hit him or did the rider brake check him?

Honestly, the rider is a ****ing idiot. Move over to the slow lane, and you wont have these problems. Dont try to block the passage of a vehicle while acting aggresive and you wont be a hood ornament. Learn how to actually ride and you wont be grass surfing.

Funny how he has no problems tripling the speed limit while chasing the guy, but crawls along in the fast lane.
 
I'm sure if it was a cop that the van driver accelerated and hit your attitude would be different.

Just sayin'.


Would depend. If the cop was on duty, (and had properly identified himself as such), and performing his legal duties then yes of course that is a completely different scenario. If the cop were off duty and acting in the same manner, and dressed in civvies, then my position would remain exactly the same. The cop should conduct himslef in the same manner record the driver and report the incident with a plate, and let it be handled properly.
 
I don't understand why the rider didn't keep up with traffic, or pull over. It's pretty typical for someone to ride your tail hoping that you'll get the hint to pull over, if you're going slow. I didn't see any sign of the car hitting the bike. I'd think that someone would be hesitant to hop back on and ride like a madman to catch up, if their bike had been hit. Can they clock the bike's speed by how fast the dotted lines or stationary objects are passing? I think he has enough stickers on that Ninja to go fast, but for some reason chose not to. If he was going to continue riding, he should definitely invest in some gloves, and keep his hands off of his phone.
 
I'm sure if it was a cop that the van driver accelerated and hit your attitude would be different.

Just sayin'.

A cop would have had lawful authority to stop and detain a driver at roadside for a traffic offence. Some random civilian, who may or may not be coming across as road-raging nut-bar, does not. I'm sure many of you wouldn't stick around in a similar situation.
 
If indeed the bike was hit, (I see nothing in the video, in it's current state), that shows a collision, one would think the rider would want to "boost his cred" by leaving that in the video at the very least we would have seen the camera "jerk" or move at the point of contact. When I was recently clipped by a road raging cager, you could see both my rear and front cameras actualy move as the bike was clipped. But while I agree the "smart" thing would have been for the rider to remove himself from the scene, (by either speeding up, or moving over, and letting the van proceed. But having said that, it doesn't give any other motorist the right to impose their will by bumping a vehicle anymore than he should be imposing his will upon other road users.

Sort of like poking a bear, sure you "can" do it but it isn't likely to end well for you..lol

I don't understand why the rider didn't keep up with traffic, or pull over. It's pretty typical for someone to ride your tail hoping that you'll get the hint to pull over, if you're going slow. I didn't see any sign of the car hitting the bike. I'd think that someone would be hesitant to hop back on and ride like a madman to catch up, if their bike had been hit. Can they clock the bike's speed by how fast the dotted lines or stationary objects are passing? I think he has enough stickers on that Ninja to go fast, but for some reason chose not to. If he was going to continue riding, he should definitely invest in some gloves, and keep his hands off of his phone.
 
Sheesh, that was painful to watch. Bad decisions in succession on the rider's part. There are crazy people in this world... learn to avoid them and stay alive!
 
yea unlucky guy, and stupid decisions, other way he`s not alone! look around - 90% of any vehicles using left lane with empty right side (some times with 2 lanes), now days even trucks stay in left lane and they are all dont care about road law :mad: cops??? they don`t care to.... sow million times -road speed 60km/h, car in left lane doing at list 55km/h - at the front no problem, cop car at the back - so what is next? - of course cop going around and speed up....in my opinion 40% our traffic problem because of id#ots in left lane, wish we can get like 40 us sheriffs, at list for 1 week, so they will clean id#ots out...
 
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I never said in my post the van was "justified" in hitting the bike, (if in fact contact was made). It "appears" he has edited out any contact, at first I thought it was a "jerk" of the camera during contact, but when I slowed the video, as the video restarts he is in the middle of saying something, so there is no "jerk" but rather it is poor editing.

No your are 100% correct you can't hit a vehicle in front of you because they are driving too slow for your liking. However, at the end of the video when he is telling his side of the story he says, I turned around and told him to back off. "Then he gave me the finger so I SLOWED DOWN". Now he doesn't say how he "slowed down" and that part "appears" to be edited out of the video. If he "brake checked the van" then he committed an offence. ANY novice rider should know that brake checking or even slowing down in front of vehicle you feel is too close is not proper nor smart riding. If he felt the vehicle was so close as to present a danger then he should have either accelerated away or moved over and let the vehicle pass, and thereby remove the danger.

The van didn't "run over" the rider. If you look clearly, as the van approached the rider actually, again attempted to block his advancement, then tried to jump on the hood. Unfortunately the caravan has no hood to speak of, and the rider fell off to the side as the van. The rider had an option to move to his right and avoid the van. A citizen has no power to attempt to stop or block a vehicle on a roadway. Many members here criticize an officer for stepping in front of a car, on a road at a radar check, (even though they have the leag authority to do so.

The rider had stopped in the first instance and was VERY aggressive in his actions when he apporached the van. If we are looking at this purely from an insurance perspective, then yes the van will be assessed fault. As for charges the van driver still has a valid defence of fearng for his safety, (based upon the riders aggressive manner in the first encouter and then his continuing aggresive manner of trying to use his vehicle to block in the van. All the van driver has to do at trial is get a reaonable doubt, (one juror is all it takes for his lawyer to convince).

Recall the guy in the suv in New York he wasn't charged as he said he feared for his life when he initially took off, due to the aggressive actions of the riders. Eventually this was bourne out when they dragged him from his vehicle, and beat him severely. Personally I wouldn't have waited to see what the rider was going to do next, (given his previous aggresive actions).

The rider SHOULD have, (after the initial contact), was gotten the plate number of the van, then mve his bike off the road, (he already had the driver face on video), and call the police. by pursuing the van at high speed he strengthened the van drivers cas ethat he was in fear as ths guy had yelled and acted aggressive towards him, so he tried to remove himself from the situation and the rider chased him down and tried to block him in.

Did you just compare this to the NY incident?

Drama much?

Stop making yourself looks like a crying ***** pls.
 
Both the bike rider and van driver carry fault here. But the van driver basically driving into the rider should constitute assault with a deadly weapon IMO.

At the first stop, the rider conversed pretty calmly with him and even called him "sir." He replied calmly asking about driving the speed limit. There were certainly no threats that the driver could use to defend a "I feared for my life" claim. The biker said he was calling the cops. At the very least, assuming contact occurred, the driver left the scene of an accident.

At the second incident the van driver, again, initiated the violence by accelerating into the rider. The biker didn't touch him or his vehicle. I didn't see him "jump" onto the hood. I saw the biker asking the guy in the next vehicle to stay as a witness; if someone is raging and a threat to others that's the last thing they're going to do.

After that, who knows? The editing is so suspicious. At the very least the cops have the bike rider for speeding (possibly 172 speeds...) as he sought to catch up and confront the van driver.

Is the video "evidence" admissible because helmet cams are "not legal"?


The "I feared for my safety" defence wouldn't be based upon the initial interaction, but rather that the rider, (as the van LEGALLY left, see the explanation further down in my response), "chased him down and attempted to block him in"

Actually he asked the pickup to stay not as a witness but because that vehicle was in a "blocking position" meaning the van couldn't leave that route. The rider then placed himself in the only other possible "escape route". Weather you or I feel the van driver would be justified in the "I felt threatened" defence, we weren't there and can't even begin to know what the van driver felt or thought. I said, if he were charged, all his lawyer need do is convince one of 12 that was the case, and that it was "reasonable" for him to feel that way.

I am not saying the van driver was right at any point, again as you said the "editing" seems pretty suspicious, But just before the rider "claims" the van was 3 feet behind his rear wheel, he, (the rider), turns around stop the video now look at the distance from the bike to the van then compare that with the telephone pole shadow. It would "appear" the van was a car length behind the bike, (which if it was a 60 km/h zone was admittedly still too close), and not 3'. When the rider says the driver "gave me the finger" that no doubt inflamed the rider, and he felt the "best way to show hm" was to slow down considerably, Again we don't know if he "brake checked" the van, because the video has been edited at that exact moment. Weather he brake checked or merely slowed down from engine braking, he at that point was playing chicken if you will and he lost the game.

Each time he approached the van he was in what could easily be described as an "aggitated state" and somewhat aggresive. He was certainly in a "I am in charge" frame of mind, ordering people to do what he felt they should do. It is ironic when videos show cops acting the same way, many say look at the idiot on a power trip, what an a hole, yet this rider is justified in doing the same thing, (except that he has no legal authority to do so?).

Again his best option would have been to record the plate, he had the drivers face on video, and let it be dealt with properly. He is very lucky the ONLY apparent injuries he suffered were when he was in a SINGLE vehcile collision, while again trying to chase down the van. There was apparently no damage to his vehicle, when he claimed the van "hit his tire". If indeed there was no damage to the bike, (normally wouldn't be from a tire bump), and no injuries then legally speaking there is no requirement for a report to be filed. This is directly from the Collision Reporting Centres FAQ page:

A. If no one is hurt and the damage is under $1000.00 the report is not required by law. It would be wise to have everything documented by an official of the government for future references just in case one party decides to change their mind. The answer is Yes.

The rest is merely "advisory", so as you can see the van driver was under NO obligation to remain as no report was required by law. Technically, there were no apparent injuries during the second interaction so again no "reportable collision" BUT the issue then becomes did it constitute an assault, (which is why the van SHOULD have remained at that point).

As for the video being admissable as evidence. That would have to be determined by a court, and a defence lawyer would certainly try to have it tossed, on several grounds, including authenticity, (given that the rider has admitted that it has been edited), a "good" defence attorney would suggest it can't be determined, (even if a "full copy" were turned over), that it also hadn't been edited prior. That the creator, (Rider), had "interests" in presenting an altered video, (which placed ther client in a "bad light"). The mere fact that it was recorded while the camera was mounted on a helmet is a moot point. The "helmet cam" itself is not illegal, having the camera mounted to a helmet has been ruled by the courts to render the helmet itself no longer "certified" as such it is then an illegal hemet


Yet somehow you just know it all what the rider felt and thought?....

so typical of you..... former officer.
 
A cop would have had lawful authority to stop and detain a driver at roadside for a traffic offence. Some random civilian, who may or may not be coming across as road-raging nut-bar, does not. I'm sure many of you wouldn't stick around in a similar situation.

There was nothing in that video that suggested that the rider was a "nutbar". He had not touched the van nor attempted any sort of assault on the driver. It wasn't a gang of 30 bikes surrounding the guy. Indeed, at the first encounter the rider addressed the van driver as "sir". At the second encounter, yes, the rider was agitated but was hardly threatening; he didn't touch the van or the driver.

You're setting the bar pretty low for the use of potentially deadly and injurious force -- accelerating into a person right in front of you and continuing on after striking him -- using the events shown in this video. If the biker had begun to smash the mirrors or pound on the glass or attempted to punch or attack the guy through the window that'd be different. This driver was exacting revenge against a motorcyclist that ****** him off, plain and simple. If the story is to be believed, he already road-raged the guy by bumping into him for going too slow. His willingness to progress to ADW when confronted shows he's a mental case who shouldn't be on the road.
 
That is the problem first, we have NO evidence that there was any contact, other than the riders say so. If indeed there was contact then why did he choose to edit that put of the video? Not sure of your definition of aggitated but if a person stops their vehicle in an active traffic lane and exits, (or in this case gets off), and walks back to another vehicle with raised voice. Simply calling someone "sir" doesn't mitigate his other actions. I merely pointed out that the van driver had now been given a legal defense of feeling threatened.

They were both idiots plain and simple. The main point is hopefully if this is his riding style, then hopefully he did indeed sell the bike and will refrain from riding again until he realizes that playing chicken with a 2.5 ton vehicle is not in his best interest.

There was nothing in that video that suggested that the rider was a "nutbar". He had not touched the van nor attempted any sort of assault on the driver. It wasn't a gang of 30 bikes surrounding the guy. Indeed, at the first encounter the rider addressed the van driver as "sir". At the second encounter, yes, the rider was agitated but was hardly threatening; he didn't touch the van or the driver.

You're setting the bar pretty low for the use of potentially deadly and injurious force -- accelerating into a person right in front of you and continuing on after striking him -- using the events shown in this video. If the biker had begun to smash the mirrors or pound on the glass or attempted to punch or attack the guy through the window that'd be different. This driver was exacting revenge against a motorcyclist that ****** him off, plain and simple. If the story is to be believed, he already road-raged the guy by bumping into him for going too slow. His willingness to progress to ADW when confronted shows he's a mental case who shouldn't be on the road.
 
That is the problem first, we have NO evidence that there was any contact, other than the riders say so.

Bike rider: "Now I call the cops on you. You hit my bike."
Van driver: "Why don't you drive the speed limit?"

If I'm a driver behind another vehicle and am accused of doing something I definitely did not do I don't reply with "Why don't you drive the speed limit." It'd be more like "What?! WTF are you talking about? I never touched you! ..." Would you accept an accusation like that if you didn't touch the person in front without a word of denial?

If indeed there was contact then why did he choose to edit that put of the video? Not sure of your definition of aggitated but if a person stops their vehicle in an active traffic lane and exits...

I've already stipulated that the biker was agitated. What I don't accept is that he was acting in way threatening enough to warrant assault with a deadly weapon.

Simply calling someone "sir" doesn't mitigate his other actions. I merely pointed out that the van driver had now been given a legal defense of feeling threatened.

"Sir ... I'm calling the cops" is definitely different than "I'M GOING TO KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY MOTHER****ER!!! YOU'RE ****ING DEAD MAN!!" and smashing his mirrors and kicking his doors and reaching for a weapon.

When the biker caught up to him he still didn't lay a hand on the van or the driver. He didn't even curse at the van driver, he just said "don't move" and the van accelerates into him, despite him being 5 feet or more from the van.

They were both idiots plain and simple. The main point is hopefully if this is his riding style, then hopefully he did indeed sell the bike and will refrain from riding again until he realizes that playing chicken with a 2.5 ton vehicle is not in his best interest.

I agree with that. I also hope that the van driver is found and charged with assault with a deadly weapon, reckless endangerment and whatever other charges apply. Let a judge determine guilt or innocence based on all the evidence. The rider certainly did himself no favors by posting a chopped and edited version of things.
 
You missed where he said what's your problem.

Sorry, but anyone who can't keep up with traffic, deliberately slows in the passing lane, and disembarks from his vehicle to scream at someone is a nutbar in my opinion.

If someone not denying a wild accusation is enough to convict them, then we are all guilty of much.
 
riders need to realize... we are on 2 wheels against a cage... its frustrating and unfair how drivers are unselfish and ignorant. But in serious note, you need to get away and control your emotions. The rider staying in the left lane (speeding or not) the driver was tailing him. He needs to understand the only way to win that battle is to get out of the way. Yes he hit you and has evidence but he could easily ran you over and take the camera, then what?.
Riders need to chill and get away safe.. give the middle finger or swear but just move on... Get the plate, tail him, get his address then kill him in his sleep. but dont do it while riding.
 
Some of you guys are missing the point, ignoring the big fault of HITTING him from behind which is completely the Van's fault AND attemoting to run him over or at least not caring that he was in front of him.

The van driver is 100% at fault. Again, even if he wasnt going teh speed limit, he had no right to hit him. We have all been stuck behind cars who refuse to go the proper speed but none of us have ever hit them to make a point.

and as a few mentioned, the rider was NOT aggressive. He was polite at the first stop and the guy just had road rage.

I dont know why this forum is so against biklers even when they are clearly not at fault.

Did he make emotional decisions? yes but he did not assult anyone or hit anyone from behind. Legally, the driver is at fault in every day. Yet people on this forum LOVE to blame the rider for whatever reason.
 
That is the problem first, we have NO evidence that there was any contact, other than the riders say so. If indeed there was contact then why did he choose to edit that put of the video? Not sure of your definition of aggitated but if a person stops their vehicle in an active traffic lane and exits, (or in this case gets off), and walks back to another vehicle with raised voice. Simply calling someone "sir" doesn't mitigate his other actions. I merely pointed out that the van driver had now been given a legal defense of feeling threatened.

They were both idiots plain and simple. The main point is hopefully if this is his riding style, then hopefully he did indeed sell the bike and will refrain from riding again until he realizes that playing chicken with a 2.5 ton vehicle is not in his best interest.

Why do you even bother dude? I'm just here to **** around and play some photo tag. You can't fix stupid
 

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