Will the next "hit the fan" moment involve boomers?

[Deleted member 50930]

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But their jobs carry so much risk and they are getting paid for their expertise / making sure the company can grow long-term sustainability #green

blah blah blah blah blahhhhh

I kind of feel bad too (ish??). I make more money than folks on the production floor but I sit in a office with AC doing "engineering" stuff for the production floor ..........

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[Trials]

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But their jobs carry so much risk and they are getting paid for their expertise / making sure the company can grow long-term sustainability

blah blah blah blah blahhhhh

Indeed, they also have to read a lot and that cooks your eyes.

 

[Trials]

.. / making sure the company can grow long-term sustainability #green

Health care! Increase your staff complement and extend your hours of operation your salary is based on it!

 

[油井緋色]

Actually from what I seen through life the less you did the more you got paid, I was an idiot I worked my ass off.

Truth. I make more than I ever have and work 1/4th the amount I did when I worked hardest.

But honestly, this makes me feel like I'm stagnating and dying.

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But their jobs carry so much risk and they are getting paid for their expertise / making sure the company can grow long-term sustainability #green

blah blah blah blah blahhhhh

I kind of feel bad too (ish??). I make more money than folks on the production floor but I sit in a office with AC doing "engineering" stuff for the production floor ..........


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I have some suits at my workplace like this. If they ask for anything unreasonable, I just tell them to do it themselves.

I have a manager that literally wouldn't take apart a computer and insisted on ordering some else to do it. I did it (software development and IT are not the same field, despite what the suits think), and told him "I'm happy to carry you because I'm far stronger than you are."

Be a dick too, it gets you places too from what I'm experiencing now (I do not like this, but it seems that being an ******* and working less give you more over a long period of time. Working harder, trying to be humble, and being empathetic got me taken advantage of, working for free, and people thought I was stupid.)

 

[Trials]

... stagnating and dying.

they tell me that part's still to come :|
unless you participate in a dangerous sport or something crazy like that, could go either way.

 

[Trials]

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I have a manager that literally wouldn't take apart a computer and insisted on ordering some else to do it. I did it, and told him "I'm happy to carry you because I'm far stronger than you are."
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Was that a parable, or a very subtle joke

 

[Deleted member 50930]

Be a dick too, it gets you places too from what I'm experiencing now (I do not like this, but it seems that being an ******* and working less give you more over a long period of time. Working harder, trying to be humble, and being empathetic got me taken advantage of, working for free, and people thought I was stupid.)

I won't be a dick but I don't value being loyal to a company anymore and the "stigma" of job hopping looking bad on your resume is not true.. This is something else the boomers don't understand.

Here's a example of what can happen if you are loyal ...

The rise and fall of Erwin Hymer Group North America

The rise and fall of Erwin Hymer Group North America

RV manufacturer saw aggressive growth and expansion before a stunning collapse into receivership

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^ These guys are back in business now with a different name. Good bye pensions but the older workers can't find work so some are forced to go back working for them

 

[油井緋色]

they tell me that part's still to come :|
unless you participate in a dangerous sport or something crazy like that, could go either way.

Dunno about you, but I'd rather die with meaning while trying to push limits than sitting on a couch, old, and confused about the meaning of life lol

Was that a parable, or a very subtle joke

Neither lol

I mentioned before I'm a 160lb dude that deadlifts 400lb. I look like it. And I use that to trigger other's insecurities when I think they their ego needs to get popped (my manager is a tall toothpick.)

 

[Trials]

I'm pretty heavy into a dangerous sport, it has no meaning it's just fun!
and great full body exercise ? I'm getting muscles again

 

[Deleted member 50930]

I mentioned before I'm a 160lb dude that deadlifts 400lb. I look like it. And I use that to trigger other's insecurities when I think they their ego needs to get popped (my manager is a tall toothpick.)

I think you need to find a new job......

 

[油井緋色]

I won't be a dick but I don't value being loyal to a company anymore and the "stigma" of job hopping looking bad on your resume is not true.. This is something else the boomers don't understand.

Here's a example of what can happen if you are loyal ...

The rise and fall of Erwin Hymer Group North America

The rise and fall of Erwin Hymer Group North America

RV manufacturer saw aggressive growth and expansion before a stunning collapse into receivership

webcache.googleusercontent.com

^ These guys are back in business now with a different name. Good bye pensions but the older workers can't find work so some are forced to go back working for them

Good point on loyalty.

I bought into the loyalty thing too earlier. I've more or less learned to reduce my empathy to near zero for work now instead. Pay me, or **** you, we're not friends.

......I honestly prefer it when I was ignorant. Far less toxic thoughts like this.

I think you need to find a new job......

Probably lol Too much politics and not enough software development.

 

[r3r3r3]

to quote Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 - "its all about money aint a damn thing funny, you gotta have a con in this land of milk and honey."

My (tail end of boomer) parents are very much the "stick with the job/company you have, work hard, and you'll have security and a modest income. If they had it their way i'd be a middle manager at a Best Buy now. Both college educated, still with the same companies they got hired to out of school. I took a college program, made a bunch of strategic (albeit risky) career moves in my early 20's, and was outpacing them by 25. of course part of that was thanks to the safety net i knew I had because of them so I don't discredit their choices / blind loyalty completely.

So wear a shirt and tie and run with the creeps.

 

[Deleted member 50930]

Good point on loyalty.

I bought into the loyalty thing too earlier. I've more or less learned to reduce my empathy to near zero for work now instead. Pay me, or **** you, we're not friends.

......I honestly prefer it when I was ignorant. Far less toxic thoughts like this.



Probably lol Too much politics and not enough software development.

You sound like the boomer milwrights at my job..........

 

[油井緋色]

You sound like the boomer milwrights at my job..........

Become the thing you hate to succeed right?

Though I'll take your observation seriously; maybe I've gone too far.

 

[Trials]

Loyalty?
Ah! you guys are looking at it from a private enterprise perspective.

I worked in government, loyalty = trust and that is vital.
Get a job working for the government if you can I highly recommend it.
... and be loyal as you can.

 

[crankcall]

I have a manager that literally wouldn't take apart a computer and insisted on ordering some else to do it. I did it (software development and IT are not the same field, despite what the suits think), and told him "I'm happy to carry you because I'm far stronger than you are."

Be a dick too, it gets you places too from what I'm experiencing now (I do not like this, but it seems that being an ******* and working less give you m

See you think, clever me I told him "im far stronger" , me being suit thinks, awesome, I wanted this thing fixed, your fixing it, quote me whatever philosopher makes you happy. I'm going for lunch.
Nobody likes the kissy bum, but being a dick doesnt work much. The guy being a dick misses out on a LOT, when the leaf/jays tickets are passed around, invites for vendor lunches, cases of wine being comp'd , the dick is the last guy to benefit.

If I ever had some guy posturing thinking 160lbs of anybody carried any wieght, oy vey. Go ahead strut, I'll fire your 160lb ass, guess what the 64 guys that just graduated from uni XXX are doing? looking for software jobs....

 

[Lightcycle]

You're hating on a group of people that were born to different circumstances and conditions than you.

Human evolution doesn't move that fast.

There is nothing physiologically or psychologically different from a human that was born in 1945 than one born in 1985.

If you (as a Millennial) were born and raised in exactly those same circumstances and conditions, you would have acted in exactly the same way and turned out the same way.

 

[hdsomeday]

I mentioned before I'm a 160lb dude that deadlifts 400lb. I look like it. And I use that to trigger other's insecurities when I think they their ego needs to get popped (my manager is a tall toothpick.)

You really think your manager gives a f what you look like or what you can deadlift? No. He needs a job done and apparently, despite all the posturing, you get it done. To yourself you are the hero. To him you are still a dick that, for now, does what is asked. When you stop doing your job the way he wants he will be looking at those 64 uni xxx grads a lot more closely.

btw, the only way you would trigger any insecurities is if they think you may be unstable.

 

[nobbie48]

Yawn... your're just to young to understand how things roll from generation to generation.

Pretty much every generation had some type of hate-on for the folks 2 gens older than them. In the 50s the young Post War cohort (Elvis years) rebelled and hated what the rules and norms of their Depression Era elders, then the Baby Boomers (hippies) rebelled against the elder Gens, then Gen X (yuppies) again -- rinse and repeat, now it's your turn.

I think it the same reasons over and over. The 50-70 year olds have grown more conservative - younger cohorts are more progressive; they have and control money and the economy - you want money and control over the economy; they control politics and policy - you want more control, you protest but when it comes to the playoffs (voting time) you skip it to party - thank you for that.

Each generation shapes the world over a lifetime, when things get to their liking they are happy and start enjoying the fruits of their labour. They will never consider you priorities more important than theirs (and vice versa).

You are young, you will shape the world to your liking, and your grandchildren might just hate you for that.

Above and "offmychest" remind me of a PhD I know. While very intelligent, having lectured at several prominent universities and having aced some really decent jobs, a full time professorship with tenure has eluded them. It's all because the existing profs with tenure won't quit and can't be kicked out. Basically "I want someone kicked out so I can get a job where I can't get kicked out."

I'm a boomer and resent the school system that was focused on providing workers for factories and pencil pushers for offices. Has it changed except instead of pushing pencils people push keys.

The narrow minded zombie approach to life doomed a lot of people. My brother was held back a grade because his handwriting wasn't neat enough. Now they don't even teach it. Boys took shop and girls took penmanship so they could get jobs as bank tellers and hand written deposit entries had to be neat. Girls took home economics so they could cook and sew for their future husbands.

You were either a Stepford person or a rebel that got slapped down or flunked out.

So who is at fault?

Not me. It's the fault of my parent's generation. Of course if they were alive and facing the question they would say it was the fault of the generation before them because they did what they were taught by their parents. If you asked my grandparents they would throw it back another generation to what they were taught.

Eventually you end up at the Garden of Eden and the first sin. Before that everything was perfect.

And the beat goes on.

 

[Mad Mike]

Truth. I make more than I ever have and work 1/4th the amount I did when I worked hardest.

But honestly, this makes me feel like I'm stagnating and dying.


I have some suits at my workplace like this. If they ask for anything unreasonable, I just tell them to do it themselves.

I have a manager that literally wouldn't take apart a computer and insisted on ordering some else to do it. I did it (software development and IT are not the same field, despite what the suits think), and told him "I'm happy to carry you because I'm far stronger than you are."

Be a dick too, it gets you places too from what I'm experiencing now (I do not like this, but it seems that being an ******* and working less give you more over a long period of time. Working harder, trying to be humble, and being empathetic got me taken advantage of, working for free, and people thought I was stupid.)

I spent my fair share of years managing technology development and here's what I can tell you. Smart, productive and belligerent is OK when all is well - be a dick, make as many enemies up and down the chain as you wish -- you are a hard to replace asset that's getting sweated by the company so they put up with it.

Now a bump in the road comes along and suddenly there is no work, along comes a RIF. That do-nothing boss that walks around with a clipboard acting important can finally put that trusty clipboard to work - the suits have asked he to draw up a list.

Who do you think is the first lockout? It's not the best that stay, its the capable that get along and show leadership skills (those stupid hard working, humble and empathetic types that work long hours and are willing to do what's asked of them in exchange for a paycheque.)