J_F
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bummer
guess things have changed
I was an apprentice in my field 35+ years ago
we had the pick of jobs/assignments and took no sh*t from employers
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bummer
guess things have changed
I was an apprentice in my field 35+ years ago
we had the pick of jobs/assignments and took no sh*t from employers
AllistonGT
Well-known member
Tradesman and a Porsche owner here. Had a Harley and traded it in for a FJR. The future is good for certain trades. Our biggest concern going forward is finding talent not finding work.
bigpoppa
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Honestly, its a part PR problem and part structural problem.
If I want to become a millwright, or an electrician, what do I do?
Answer: Find an apprenticeship. (ok...so...find an employer..but as a newbie wanting to become an electrician, who will hire you with 0 experience, and train you? Seems unlikely)
Also how do these new 'pre apprenticeship training' programs fit into this? It just seems like a scam by colleges to try and get a piece of your wallet, drown you into debt. Why do you need training for training? Wasnt that the whole point of apprenticeships? Learn while you earn/work?
In that case, pre apprenticeships at colleges seem redundant? A buddy of mine is a licensed red seal electrician, he never spend thousands upon thousands at a pre apprenticeship program at a college.
its so much easier and straightforward to just do the standard 'go to university with a vague idea of what you want to do' and start working...
(even though university is a waste of time for most people these days((Apart from STEM fields))
I know this because a few years ago I was also in this boat, but as a youngster was completely lost looking at trades.
AllistonGT
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Yes you find an employer looking for a young hungry ambitious person who wants to work. Probably easier to find work then for the employer to find that hungry ambitious person who wants to work.
Trust me thats the hard part right now. I've seen it numerous times. I've been in this for 34 years.
J_F
Guest
^ this, 110% this
find a company in the industry your'e interested in
start at entry level labourer role, work your azz off
take every menial task that no one else wants
ask questions, understand their business
learn from the Journeymen
any decent company will do what's required to retain a worker like that
including giving you the time off for the schooling portion of an apprenticeship
find a company in the industry your'e interested in
start at entry level labourer role, work your azz off
take every menial task that no one else wants
ask questions, understand their business
learn from the Journeymen
any decent company will do what's required to retain a worker like that
including giving you the time off for the schooling portion of an apprenticeship
AllistonGT
Well-known member
YES and we would! Passion and the willingness to do whats required are worth way more then any experience.
Very true
In a world we’re everyone whines about no good jobs and I can’t find good guys.
I’ve had an apprentice that started with me at 19 years old.
By the time he was 25 he had a house a wife and two kids.
By 32 three kids stay at home wife and no mortgage.
Not bad for a young Carpenter that has not worked self employed or union.
But he works hard and spends wisely on what matters to him most.
My current youngin didn't have any experience but didn’t want to sell lawn care anymore. 3 years in he has a new truck with nice rims and tires, golfs every week and is well on his way to buying a house before he turns 30.
I’ve been in Carpentry for 25 years and have never spent more than a couple days looking for a job.
And yes had the Harley it was over rated ?
Trades are a good gig
But it takes some time and knowledge to be able to demand big bucks.
In a world we’re everyone whines about no good jobs and I can’t find good guys.
I’ve had an apprentice that started with me at 19 years old.
By the time he was 25 he had a house a wife and two kids.
By 32 three kids stay at home wife and no mortgage.
Not bad for a young Carpenter that has not worked self employed or union.
But he works hard and spends wisely on what matters to him most.
My current youngin didn't have any experience but didn’t want to sell lawn care anymore. 3 years in he has a new truck with nice rims and tires, golfs every week and is well on his way to buying a house before he turns 30.
I’ve been in Carpentry for 25 years and have never spent more than a couple days looking for a job.
And yes had the Harley it was over rated ?
Trades are a good gig
But it takes some time and knowledge to be able to demand big bucks.
bigpoppa
Well-known member
Nice, did any of them ever end up becoming journeyman carpenters?
The first mentioned yes is a licensed journeyman.
The second currently is my lead drywaller/ painter. He is still only 24 years old and has about 2.5 years experience but plans to start his own small drywall and paint company in a few years. Time will tell, if I treat him right maybe he just stays with me. ?
I have one but I can say as a carpenter a license doesn’t mean much outside the union. Never had a client ask to see credentials. They want reputation, referrals and confidence.
The second currently is my lead drywaller/ painter. He is still only 24 years old and has about 2.5 years experience but plans to start his own small drywall and paint company in a few years. Time will tell, if I treat him right maybe he just stays with me. ?
I have one but I can say as a carpenter a license doesn’t mean much outside the union. Never had a client ask to see credentials. They want reputation, referrals and confidence.
bigpoppa
Well-known member
Some people like to work with hands, and avoid 6 figure debt
I don’t think anyone was knocking dentistry as a good job.
Just stating that trades can be a pretty good gig that is often overlooked by people planning their future.
Also quite often income in the trades can be skewed or hidden.
Like renovating your family home and triple your money in just a few years but it’s not income. ?
There are a laundry list of other perks in owning a small trade business.
Although yes a dentist or other doctor would obviously be a better route.
That’s kinda like say a Rolls is nicer than a Cadillac.
And wow holy hi jacked thread. Lol
Just stating that trades can be a pretty good gig that is often overlooked by people planning their future.
Also quite often income in the trades can be skewed or hidden.
Like renovating your family home and triple your money in just a few years but it’s not income. ?
There are a laundry list of other perks in owning a small trade business.
Although yes a dentist or other doctor would obviously be a better route.
That’s kinda like say a Rolls is nicer than a Cadillac.
And wow holy hi jacked thread. Lol
AllistonGT
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I wouldn't say its a better route. Depends. DR. won't start earning a decent income till 30 years old? Maybe later? Then possibly huge student dept.
Also out of that possible 6 - 7 figure income comes all there expenses. Staff, rent, insurance etc. My DR. lives on my street and I wouldn't say he's better off. Of coarse I can't know that for sure.
Yes this went way off topic.
This reminds me of an old Frasier episode where a plumber comes to fix Nile's (was that his name?) toilet. The plumber used to bully him in school so he was going to one up him now and say "ha I'm a dr and you're a plumber!"
He starts bragging that he has a new E Class Benz. The plumber says that's nice, but he traded his in because it was too small. Now he has the S Class.
Niles says "you have the BIG Mercedes???"
Young plumbers on my street. Living at home.
Brand new trucks.
1 or 2 investment properties
Spend more money on drinks in a weekend than I do on food in a month (and that's a lot)
None of the student debt.
Dentist may be ahead...but I would bet it's not by much.
What is this thread originally about again??
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sid_for_speed
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Trades seem to be crazy lucrative. Friend of my dad's worked in medicine (researcher) and was eventually laid off because grants for medical funding couldn't be had for what he was working on. Went into HVAC and his whole life seemed to turn around.
Part of me really wants to go this route.
Chhai
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Do anybody know accountants, lawyers, dentists, and/or doctors who own a harley? I see this stereotype perpetuated but in my experience the people that I know personally that own a Harley are working class people -- truck drivers, mechanics and the like. They also happened to be garage queens as well.
My spouse has doctor in front of her name and i know alot of them... none own a Harley or even care for bikes but yes they do own luxury cars...........I also happen to work with a lot of accountants also no interest in bikes. Anyway just puzzling how this stereotype gets perpetuated or people just making crap up??
Another note trades are very lucrative but keep in mind it is hard work. I put myself through school by doing commercial flooring and there wasn't a day I came home without a sore back/knees....... Compared to a fellow who works in finance and make 200+ easily without breaking a sweat... maybe some stress involved but a lot of them don't seem to be too stressed.
My spouse has doctor in front of her name and i know alot of them... none own a Harley or even care for bikes but yes they do own luxury cars...........I also happen to work with a lot of accountants also no interest in bikes. Anyway just puzzling how this stereotype gets perpetuated or people just making crap up??
Another note trades are very lucrative but keep in mind it is hard work. I put myself through school by doing commercial flooring and there wasn't a day I came home without a sore back/knees....... Compared to a fellow who works in finance and make 200+ easily without breaking a sweat... maybe some stress involved but a lot of them don't seem to be too stressed.
Most I know are retired from the automotive sector, or business owners.
Home builder, concrete, utility trailer fabricator, medical machine calibrator, carpentry etc.
Oh and one dentist.
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