Why are sellers so reluctant to get the UVIP?

[Alvito]

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That's right and that's why it should be available online at the buyers request.

Seems here some have not sold many bikes if they think sellers are a pain you should have to deal with the tire kickers and plain idjits on the buying side.

Got so I take a deposit before i get the safety done.

Deposit for the safety I understand, it expires in 36 days. But for the UVIP, you should have that ready to go!

I've e-mailed and called many sellers, and I always ask if they have it. It really slows down the process if they don't have it ready for me to look at.

 

[stratofortress]

That's right and that's why it should be available online at the buyers request.

Seems here some have not sold many bikes if they think sellers are a pain you should have to deal with the tire kickers and plain idjits on the buying side.

Got so I take a deposit before i get the safety done.

I have been pretty lucky with buyers so far....but all my sales took place in a small town of under 15000 pop. I have sold a car in the city and had my time considerably wasted, half the tire kickers didn't even know what a UVIP was....about 10 city slickers came to look..finally a small town girl bought it (she had brought her father along to look at it with her)

 

[Alvito]

You can eliminate tire kickers by saying specific things in your ad.

 

[knowledge]

Honestly, it'd depend what kind of bike I was selling and how reasonable my asking price was. If I was willing to wait to squeeze more money out of my sale, I probably wouldn't get a UVIP. But if it were reasonably-priced and it had a high chance of selling within a month, I'd definitely have the UVIP ready.

But then again, I bought my bike from a grown-*** man that wouldn't take a deposit and kept saying "money talks, bro, money talks.":confused1:

In my experience most people selling bikes are idiots.

And I'm sure there are a lot of retarded buyers, too.

I don't get caught up in the politics, if he has it, great. If not, you end up negotiating the price anyways and you can get back that 20$...

Lol have you ever actually purchased a bike for $3980. I'd actually be willing to knock 20 bucks off if they went and bought the UVIP.

 

[unL33T]

1. Costs money. This is the biggest reason.
2. Takes time. Sure you can get it online or go to a mall and use one of those self service kiosk things but people are lazy.
3. They think it's the buyer's job because they're ignorant of the process.
4. They don't think it's necessary because they never bothered to find out the proper process for selling a vehicle.
4. They're sketchy and their vehicle is sketchy so they don't know what the history is and don't care to let you know either.

If someone is giving you the run around about the UVIP just tell them it's their job to get it and if they don't you'll walk away. There are other bikes out there.

 

[unL33T]

You can eliminate tire kickers by saying specific things in your ad.

Like actually being honest about the vehicle. Don't say it's in mint condition and drives better than anything you've ever driven when it has rotted out panels, barely starts, runs like ****, brakes don't work, suspension is clunky with blown shocks and struts, clutch is just about shot, steering is rough and rack is leaking, etc. I can't count the number of "excellent/mint condition" cars I went to look at last time I was buying that were exactly as I described above.

Also, don't tell me it has no mechanical issues and will pass a safety with flying colours only for me to offer to pay for the safety before buying and find like 5 things that need to be replaced (many were mentioned above). I think I paid for 3 safeties on cars that the seller claimed would pass without problems and had already been checked by their mechanic which all failed miserably.

Lastly, research the car you're selling and come up with a decent price. People will still come look if you're asking double what it's worth but then they'll try to talk you down. If you're not willing to negotiate a lot they will walk away and it will be a waste of both of your times.

Also, if it's an old/cheap car you're guaranteed to get a lot of beginner drivers and students (looking for a cheap first car) that have no idea of the process so you're probably gonna have some time wasted while they try to figure it out.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Can you sue the seller if he fails to disclose a lien against a bike? Also why do they punish the new seller and not go after the guy who actually owns the money? Those people selling bikes with liens have plates on them and insurance right? How do they get it?

If you got a load from a bank or finance company, to buy a bike, then your bike had a lien on it. You were not stopped from plating, nor insuring it. The person who currently owns the bike is the one who holds the property, that secures the lien. That property is how the person/business, that loaned the money, can recover it if in default.

 

[Chaos]

1. Costs money. This is the biggest reason.
2. Takes time. Sure you can get it online or go to a mall and use one of those self service kiosk things but people are lazy.
3. They think it's the buyer's job because they're ignorant of the process.
4. They don't think it's necessary because they never bothered to find out the proper process for selling a vehicle.
4. They're sketchy and their vehicle is sketchy so they don't know what the history is and don't care to let you know either.

If someone is giving you the run around about the UVIP just tell them it's their job to get it and if they don't you'll walk away. There are other bikes out there.

spot on.

 

[MacDoc]

I think it's the buyers job and I'm not ignorant of the process.
If the buyer doesn't beleive me about no liens then its his job to do his due diligence.
The issue is that there is no reason that it can't be instantly available on line except gov stupidity.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I think it's the buyers job and I'm not ignorant of the process.
If the buyer doesn't beleive me about no liens then its his job to do his due diligence.
The issue is that there is no reason that it can't be instantly available on line except gov stupidity.

Sure, except that you're wrong.

 

[Mina]

I think it's the buyers job and I'm not ignorant of the process.
If the buyer doesn't beleive me about no liens then its his job to do his due diligence.
The issue is that there is no reason that it can't be instantly available on line except gov stupidity.

There are websites that allow you to type in the vehicle's VIN# and will tell you if there is a registered lien or not...
I think it costs something like 7$/check

 

[mxs]

MTO needs to do a better job of educating people!

Actually they are already doing pretty good job. Just because people are lazy, cheap or stupid doesn't mean that the government has to put more money into educating people.

If you are a seller and do not understand that UVIP and valid safety in your hands doesn't give you a better chance/leverage to sell your bike at the price you want, then there's not much helping you. I have always had these two in my hands and have sold bikes quickly at a price I asked for and was comfortable with. It's simple and easy.

 

[Nixel]

There are websites that allow you to type in the vehicle's VIN# and will tell you if there is a registered lien or not...
I think it costs something like 7$/check

On car purchases you should be doing a carfax check anyway, but either way, the UVIP is required on all used vehicle purchases or else you can't transfer ownership.

My buddy asked me to tag along when he was buying his bike and one seller had the nerve to say he didn't buy the UVIP because he didn't want it to expire. I made my friend walk away from that one.

 

[Mina]

On car purchases you should be doing a carfax check anyway, but either way, the UVIP is required on all used vehicle purchases or else you can't transfer ownership.

My buddy asked me to tag along when he was buying his bike and one seller had the nerve to say he didn't buy the UVIP because he didn't want it to expire. I made my friend walk away from that one.

Carfax is about 30$/report and if you want the lien check it costs extra.
you only need the UVIP when you're selling/buying privately. However, if you're buying from a dealership it's not necessary. If there is a lien on the vehicle that you've purchased from a registered OMVIC dealer, the dealer is held responsible and is liable to release the lien, even if money needs to be paid.

 

[Nixel]

Carfax is about 30$/report and if you want the lien check it costs extra.
you only need the UVIP when you're selling/buying privately. However, if you're buying from a dealership it's not necessary. If there is a lien on the vehicle that you've purchased from a registered OMVIC dealer, the dealer is held responsible and is liable to release the lien, even if money needs to be paid.

There wouldn't be a point in doing a VIN check for a lien if you're getting the UVIP. I was just saying you should be doing a CarFax check anyway for other reasons.

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