afong56 obviously u will never change your pessimistic view. hindsight is 20/20. don't like how things are in toronto? go ahead and move. if not, stfu. i won't quit my day job i promise. but you should resign from yours cuz you're clearly an idiot, that's if u have one to begin with instead of trolling in your parents basement.
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Who ordered G20 violations
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Shaman
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Such stupidity.
The cops loved it when they were let off the leash to be beat-down thugs. They rolled around in violence like stray dogs on a corpse. Maybe the people that let the war dogs off their leash are to blame, but does that mean you should then trust the dogs?
People like Skyrider make me physically ill, apologizing for a bunch of punks in blue coats and riot gear that saw an opportunity to play King of the Castle with defenseless people. And get paid overtime for it. Maybe I should be more lenient, maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome but I don't care: the cops are showing what they are, a gang of thugs in place to protect the system and not the people. And honestly, if you think otherwise then you are deluded.
The cops loved it when they were let off the leash to be beat-down thugs. They rolled around in violence like stray dogs on a corpse. Maybe the people that let the war dogs off their leash are to blame, but does that mean you should then trust the dogs?
People like Skyrider make me physically ill, apologizing for a bunch of punks in blue coats and riot gear that saw an opportunity to play King of the Castle with defenseless people. And get paid overtime for it. Maybe I should be more lenient, maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome but I don't care: the cops are showing what they are, a gang of thugs in place to protect the system and not the people. And honestly, if you think otherwise then you are deluded.
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It'll be interesting to see the next G20. This one was a little more successful in that no one was critically injured. The protests during the event were a big FAIL, and got lost in the shuffle.
You'd think by now that these groups would have learned how to run a proper protest. Some of the blame definitely needs to be placed on them.
You'd think by now that these groups would have learned how to run a proper protest. Some of the blame definitely needs to be placed on them.
Graves
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Do you know how a hierarchy works? The front line cops that were at G20 were all getting their orders passed down, sadly from a RCMP tard, and guess what my city burned.
The Chief the next day had enough and took command of his officers and they did what they were told to do.
G20 is long dead and it was full of adult children, whiney, crying 30 year old people that were told to leave or they would be arrested and they didn't leave... so guess what they got arrested, waaaaaaaah my rights! 5 year old children have more bloody sense.
Look at the facts
how many arrests were there? 1000 plus?
how many of those charges actually stuck in court-- less then 100?
Thats a serious abuse of power right there, not withstanding everything else.
the stupid new "law" that was "miscommunicated" was a travesty in itself. WTF do you mean you can ask anyone for ID for no reason other then they are with x meters of a fence. By the way, the cops used those powers all the way up to St Clair-- they were instructed too. Cops trying to intimidate Global tv reporters, pushing around TV hosts (Steve Palin)
Im serious when i say this-- the G20 pretty much set back police/public relations approx 20 years (a generation at least). The police response after the fact is also a joke, come on man, man up and take responsibilty. What kind of ethics and morals are you teaching kids and teenagers-- mess up and blame it on someone else, no one takes responsibility, not the premier, not the police cheif, not the cops working the beat etc.. its all someone elses fault. lets pretend it never happened. The cops that were roomates with the each other "never saw anything" what a joke. Whats the saying in the crime underworld-- snitches get stiches, good to know that the police prescribe to the same line of thinking with their "blue wall"
I remeber the police press briefings before the event, telling people not to come downtown in the largest city in Canada??
The same mob mentality that ran rampant in the "black bloc" protesters also ran rampant in the police as well.
trust them at your own peril
how many arrests were there? 1000 plus?
how many of those charges actually stuck in court-- less then 100?
Thats a serious abuse of power right there, not withstanding everything else.
the stupid new "law" that was "miscommunicated" was a travesty in itself. WTF do you mean you can ask anyone for ID for no reason other then they are with x meters of a fence. By the way, the cops used those powers all the way up to St Clair-- they were instructed too. Cops trying to intimidate Global tv reporters, pushing around TV hosts (Steve Palin)
Im serious when i say this-- the G20 pretty much set back police/public relations approx 20 years (a generation at least). The police response after the fact is also a joke, come on man, man up and take responsibilty. What kind of ethics and morals are you teaching kids and teenagers-- mess up and blame it on someone else, no one takes responsibility, not the premier, not the police cheif, not the cops working the beat etc.. its all someone elses fault. lets pretend it never happened. The cops that were roomates with the each other "never saw anything" what a joke. Whats the saying in the crime underworld-- snitches get stiches, good to know that the police prescribe to the same line of thinking with their "blue wall"
I remeber the police press briefings before the event, telling people not to come downtown in the largest city in Canada??
The same mob mentality that ran rampant in the "black bloc" protesters also ran rampant in the police as well.
trust them at your own peril
Graves
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Toooooooooooo late
I'll trust them over you anyday
Im glad man, you seem well versed on police matter, either you are a cop or someone in your family is, and thats all good. I know a few cops, good friends, we go way back-- and the things that they tell me, are some of the reasons i dont trust cops in general.
Im not asking you too trust me, and either way, i dont have the authority to mess up your life.
Guy, take of your blue lens glasses and look it form the point of view of a citizen. Even guys that are well respected in the media- like Steve Palin made comments about how the cops overstepped their bounds etc.. as a sit in silent protest he was in got turfed.
The frustration that i have with police is their blue wall nonsense, cops know that there are some bad apples, there has to be because of the sheer numbers that various police forces employ. BUT THEY DO NOTHING TO GET RID OF THESE CLOWNS THAT GIVE ALL COPS A BAD NAME. they protect them. When a crime happens, they come on tv and ask for the publics assitance and whine, when the communty does not help them, yet they do the exact same thing when something happens inhouse. Even in this case, somebody should be accountable but nope.
And this "orders came from the top crap" please man, what if your a cop and your sergant tells you that u need to write 15 stunting charges a day, you know thats impossible, do u stull write them?? what if your sergant tells you to arrest someone u know is innocent and has done know wrong, you do it anyway?? dont cops have a brain?
sounds like some gang menatlity in the US, were the lower ranks go out and commit crimes because the leader of the gang orders them too, without questioning it.
how much of the vandalism was instigated by the police pretending to be black bloc?
clutch
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There were designated areas of protest where people were arrested anyway. Many people unrelated to G20, ie. walking to work, were kettled in and couldn't leave. These too were arrested.
Quite the opposite. I think the apathy Canadians express towards this is what's most shocking for me.
I can see where you are coming from thinking this, since the black bloc managed to completely subvert the peaceful protest yet again.
But I doubt it as the "protest" doesn't appear to have done the police any benefit. The peaceful protesters were just outsmarted once again by the bloc, and allowed to take the fall.
What was the protest supposed to be about? Definitely not Canadian rights violations.
Well, the police have been caught masquerading as the Black Bloc before in this country. Whatever "Black Bloc" does seems to justify abuses of police power against peaceful protesters a little too often to be purely coincidental. They are an astroturf plain and simple.
So we have cops in black "uniforms" start a few fires and their colleagues in riot gear go violent on peaceful protesters exercising their democratic rights and people just passing by on their way home from work. I can't wait to see what they'll think of next
Well they do have increased spending levels and upgrades to equipment as a benefit plus our rights slowly eroded away
Well, the police have been caught masquerading as the Black Bloc before in this country. Whatever "Black Bloc" does seems to justify abuses of police power against peaceful protesters a little too often to be purely coincidental. They are an astroturf plain and simple.
So we have cops in black "uniforms" start a few fires and their colleagues in riot gear go violent on peaceful protesters exercising their democratic rights and people just passing by on their way home from work. I can't wait to see what they'll think of next
The way that the bloc seems to move through and integrate with the protesters dissuades me of that notion.
Looked to me more like they were working together to attempt to embarrass the police force.
So, you really think that we are heading back to a scenario like with Trudeau and the War Measures Act?
Isn't that what plain-clothes officers are used for in the first place? To integrate with the crowds? So they take off their black masks and look just like regular protesters. Otherwise, they'd be real crappy at their jobs
Isn't that what plain-clothes officers are used for in the first place? To integrate with the crowds? So they take off their black masks and look just like regular protesters. Otherwise, they'd be real crappy at their jobs
Yes and they really did such a fine job of it at that protest in Quebec, no one ever found out or did they?
Some are better at it than the other.. In any case, where are you gonna bring your A-Team... To some local union protest in a minor town or to a well-planned international event in the biggest city in the country? The officers in Quebec city were obviously the C-team and that's why they got caught red(black?)-handed
P.S. I'm not saying that every black bloc guy is a cop. I'm saying that they are an astroturf used as a scare tactic to silence peaceful protests.
you're right. i'm not convinced. i have a pretty good grasp of mob mentality and its effects.
to this i then ask, what did we get for our $1+ billion???
i'm guessing i'm older than you, and that my household (my wife and i) paid a lot more tax dollars to this boondoggle than your household did last year. love how those who have nothing in the way of logic always resort to lame attacks like "parent's basement". . .just shows that in addition to not having any facts to work with, you know absolutely nothing about me.
if being 'optimistic' means living in ignorance, then no thanks. no rose coloured glasses for me. . .
guess again. . .google "kettling" and its illegality--a lot of people couldn't leave even if they wanted to. . .the tps admitted as much this year. . .
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