Who ordered G20 violations

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G20 Security is responsibility of ISU: Alphonse Macneil, head of federal RCMP -> Reports to Privy Council Member Ward Elcot, CSIS Director -> Reports to Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

"The most massive compromise of Civil Liberties in the History of Canada" - Andre Marin, Ontario Ombudsman.

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The whole mess is Harper's fault.
He could have had it somewhere else. Hell, the G8 was around the same time.
He could have had it up in the Muskokas where they have REAL lakes.
 
You mean it's *not* all Chief Bill Blair's fault??
 
Blair is guilty. Harper is guilty. McGuinty is guilty. All the cops are guilty. The whole lot of them should be sentenced and fired. Will it happen? No, because Canadians (on the whole) are fat, lazy and stupid... they don't care if their police or their politicians are evil pricks.
 
I can't wait for the day we as a public stand up to such brutality from our politicians and police and fight back. If you push someone enough they will fight back. A thousand or five heavily armed police officers won't be able to bully a hundred thousand crowd then they're ****** off.
 
The cops on the street were told they had special rights and I'm sure were psyched up by their superiors to put on a show of force so I don't put much of the blame on them for their actions. They are not constitutional lawyers so would have to trust (Wrongly) their bosses who are not constitutional lawyers either and so on up the chain.

The only anti-cop part is if we aren't supposed to hinder an investigation neither should you.

Who made it happen Toronto?

History showed the nature of the mobs at G summits. Was this forced on us or did someone here invite G20 VIPs?

The person putting the fox in the hen house is responsible for the carnage.
 
nobbie48 said:
The cops on the street were told they had special rights and I'm sure were psyched up by their superiors to put on a show of force so I don't put much of the blame on them for their actions. They are not constitutional lawyers so would have to trust (Wrongly) their bosses who are not constitutional lawyers either and so on up the chain.
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You do something wrong knowing it's wrong, but are told it's the right thing to do... that doesn't absolve you of the actions you commit. By that argument you can say the mass murders in the crusades was right. Terrorist who attacked who attack innocents should not be held accountable because they are told it's the right thing to do.
 
Shaman said:
Blair is guilty. Harper is guilty. McGuinty is guilty. All the cops are guilty. The whole lot of them should be sentenced and fired. Will it happen? No, because Canadians (on the whole) are fat, lazy and stupid... they don't care if their police or their politicians are evil pricks.
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I would also put those idiots whose sole purpose at the rally was to cause violence and havoc on your list.
 
if the world had NO criminals, we would not need the police. if the world had NO police, criminals will run rampant. you anti-police peeps should get your brains checked.
 
SkyRider said:
if the world had NO criminals, we would not need the police. if the world had NO police, criminals will run rampant. you anti-police peeps should get your brains checked.
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We are not anti-police, we are against police abuse and misuse of power. I hate the argument because they are the police they should be allowed to get away with it when infact because they are the police they should be held to higher standards above anyone else. We depend on these people to keep us safe from all the fouls of society. I would not want a few bad apples getting through the system, over and over like they already do, and corrupting the police image to the point where we hate them and don't think they are dependable. Our political pimps have already made them into a revenue stream rather than a public protection arsenal.

I'm not willing to give up my civil liberties in the name of public safety. When infact, public safety is not at risk, but rather demonized by the mainstream media and our useless political pimps.
 
cry babies, one trip to a poor country, canada will seem like heaven. go to a non tourist area in south america you will get robbed, beaten and possibly murdered (after they harvest your kidneys). then the police will be your best friend.

if there weren't idiots with too much time on their hands causing trouble during g20, the police wouldn't need to do anything. they would just stand there. instead u have tards tearing up the streets and when cops step in, these same tards go "omg my rights got violated, omg omg."
 
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Ah yes. The old "it's better than bad, so it's good" argument.

You know why other countries are worse? Because the populace don't stand up to the people who rule over them. And that's where Canada is headed, the G20 is just a symptom of it.

And then we get dolts like you that don't even care about liberty... you want to be a serf. You're welcome to it.
 
SkyRider said:
cry babies, one trip to a poor country, canada will seem like heaven. go to a non tourist area in south america you will get robbed, beaten and possibly murdered (after they harvest your kidneys). then the police will be your best friend.

if there weren't idiots with too much time on their hands causing trouble during g20, the police wouldn't need to do anything. they would just stand there. instead u have tards tearing up the streets and when cops step in, these same tards go "omg my rights got violated, omg omg."
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your posts are full of ignorance and fail.

the main problem is that when the black bloc did start trashing things, the cops DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. the cops then proceeded to arrest over a thousand people who were NOT black bloc in the following hours and day.

on saturday, with all of the cameras in the downtown area, and the thousands of uniformed officers in riot gear, why did they do nothing to stop the looting and vandalism by less than 100 clearly garbed protesters???

the vast majority of us want to know why the armed cops didn't take on the armed criminals on saturday? where was the police to serve and protect citizens and business owners on that afternoon???

lol, take all the time you want answering that one
 
Shaman said:
Ah yes. The old "it's better than bad, so it's good" argument.

You know why other countries are worse? Because the populace don't stand up to the people who rule over them. And that's where Canada is headed, the G20 is just a symptom of it.

And then we get dolts like you that don't even care about liberty... you want to be a serf. You're welcome to it.
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has the police ever knocked down your door and arrested you for no reason? probably not. you still have the freedom to browse the internet, ride your bike, go on trackdays, and etc. you basically got brainwashed by the media's over-sensationalism

the "good old argument"? well, it does have merit or otherwise people would not use it. the fact is no country is perfect, but canada is a lot better than many. you want a perfect country that best suits you? go ahead move to a remote island and start you own country. this way you can run it however you like.
 
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your posts are full of ignorance and fail.

the main problem is that when the black bloc did start trashing things, the cops DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. the cops then proceeded to arrest over a thousand people who were NOT black bloc in the following hours and day.

on saturday, with all of the cameras in the downtown area, and the thousands of uniformed officers in riot gear, why did they do nothing to stop the looting and vandalism by less than 100 clearly garbed protesters???

the vast majority of us want to know why the armed cops didn't take on the armed criminals on saturday? where was the police to serve and protect citizens and business owners on that afternoon???

lol, take all the time you want answering that one
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while you ask me why the police didn't do this or that? i can also ask you why the black bloc tards had to trash things that didn't belong to them, or trashing a city they don't live in. yeah you can't answer that either. i think your posts are full of ignorance and fail. yeah, everyone has an opinion.

were you actually downtown? did you see everything happen before your eyes? the chain of events that you described, you heard it on the news. so you are already biased and you don't even know it. now that is fail.

while you focus on the number of store that got trashed, reasonable people focus on the number of stores that were saved because of the police. people like are you always look at the glass as half empty.

deep down, you WANT police to be corrupt, this way you can biatch about things all day long, and feel better about yourself.
 
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LiNK666 said:
You do something wrong knowing it's wrong, but are told it's the right thing to do... that doesn't absolve you of the actions you commit. By that argument you can say the mass murders in the crusades was right. Terrorist who attacked who attack innocents should not be held accountable because they are told it's the right thing to do.
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PLEASE READ "The cops on the street were told they had special rights" so what are you talking about? They didn't know it was wrong. The problem is upstairs.
 
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while you ask me why the police didn't do this or that? i can also ask you why the black bloc tards had to trash things that didn't belong to them, or trashing a city they don't live in. yeah you can't answer that either. i think your posts are full of ignorance and fail. yeah, everyone has an opinion.

were you actually downtown? did you see everything happen before your eyes? the chain of events that you described, you heard it on the news. so you are already biased and you don't even know it. now that is fail.

while you focus on the number of store that got trashed, reasonable people focus on the number of stores that were saved because of the police. people like are you always look at the glass as half empty.

deep down, you WANT police to be corrupt, this way you can biatch about things all day long, and feel better about yourself.
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wow, a whole lot of non-answer. . .it's pretty clear you have nothing and are reaching badly.

your statements are pathetically wrong.

--i wanted to see the black bloc arrested. in fact, i have posted this several times before, i would have loved to have seen the armed police goon squad do their job on them. BUT THEY DIDN'T. i have no problem with criminals being arrested and dealt with harshly, since it was obvious to all that they were committing crimes--as clearly documented on video, numerous LIVE television feeds, and photos. why do the black bloc do these things? not going waste my time here, but do yourself a favour and google it--they have been present at g8 and g20 summits for some time now, it's not a mystery why they do what they do. . .apparently you didn't bother to look for yourself.

--reasonable people want their police force to protect them against people like the black bloc, especially when our tax dollars (over $1 billion, btw) paid for lots of overtime, extra officers, and a tonne of new toys for the police. reasonable people will say that thousands of cops versus under a hundred black bloc should have been a no-brainer. the fact that they were allowed to go on a prolonged march through most of downtown toronto is a disgrace. . .but not as big a disgrace as the violation of civil liberties that took place later that day and into sunday. . .

--no one wants the police to be corrupt. you're wrong again. your statement is beyond crass and simplistic. furthermore, this is not actually about corruption. this is about abuse of powers, violation of civil liberties, and failing to perform their duties--not corruption.

so, in your non-answer, the reason the police failed to do their duty is because: the black bloc, news coverage and bias, people were optimistic, and corruption. lol. the logical fallacies are just piling up. . .

don't quit your day job, son.
 
The common sense answer as to why they did not arrest the "black bloc" was likely to avoid the riot that would ensue from the rest of people there. Did anyone else notice that no non black bloc did anything to stop them either? Had the police moved in, there would be a "mob mentality" riot. It is not like this is the first time this sort of thing has happened, and not the first time the police just stood there an let it go on and run its course. I think if you search youtube you will find examples of what happens when the police do step in in this sort of situation.
 
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The common sense answer as to why they did not arrest the "black bloc" was likely to avoid the riot that would ensue from the rest of people there. Did anyone else notice that no non black bloc did anything to stop them either? Had the police moved in, there would be a "mob mentality" riot. It is not like this is the first time this sort of thing has happened, and not the first time the police just stood there an let it go on and run its course. I think if you search youtube you will find examples of what happens when the police do step in in this sort of situation.
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there were people trying to put out the fires on the patrol cars, and the majority of the crowd were not breaking the law.

none of which absolves the police from DOING THEIR JOB. why else have officers culled from just about every major force in the entire freakin' country?

and if this "mob mentality" phenomenon is so well known, then why in the name of the baby jebus did they not anticipate it, and devise tactics to deal with it? the black bloc were a known commodity. the number of police was at least 10x that of the bloc. time to serve and protect.
 
afong56 said:
there were people trying to put out the fires on the patrol cars, and the majority of the crowd were not breaking the law.

none of which absolves the police from DOING THEIR JOB. why else have officers culled from just about every major force in the entire freakin' country?

and if this "mob mentality" phenomenon is so well known, then why in the name of the baby jebus did they not anticipate it, and devise tactics to deal with it? the black bloc were a known commodity. the number of police was at least 10x that of the bloc. time to serve and protect.
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If you choose to not accept my opinion as to why they did not step in, there is nothing I can say that will change that. Standing back is a recognized tactic to deal with these situations. You could just look it up yourself if you have any interest in opening your mind. But I would imagine you are quite happy in the lets blame the police world and have zero interest in considering that maybe they were following a plan. I get the impression that you are not a believer in the effects of the mob mentality, despite a few examples in just the last month or so. Don't bother asking me to supply you with the links, google works very well for everyone.
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