Riceburner
Well-known member
Does anyone really think the PCs are any better than the Libs or even the NDP? They all sound great when in opposition, but once in poower..... (not a typo)
who hired this guy?
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Agreed. They all do this type of politicking and when they get into power....kaboom changes abound! The Liberals may be keeping their power because of the power of 'The Devil you know'...
The current state of affairs:
Liberals: the devil we know, who have been flushing our money down the toilet for years and have still managed to get elected.
PCs: Led by a truly uninspiring man who can't seem to get a platform other than, "Look how bad THOSE guys are!" The rare idea that he floats, rather than calling it a part of his platform, generally seems to be monumentally stupid or condescending.
NDP: Led by a woman who I wish was a conservative, because she actually seems to lead. The party's policies are pie-in-the-sky, that will never work in the real world.
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There is no party or leader running it in site that shows any promise. We just get hosed one way or another. Makes me sick.
Red_Liner740
Well-known member
LOL, i'm sure his business will prosper greatly when he has to raise prices and gets priced out of market.
Let the market dictate pricing. If he cant get qualified workers at a certain hourly wage, he will raise it until he does attract necessary qualifications. Simple as that.
BTW i know what Link666 work is, and i'll let him reveal it if he wants, but trust me, YOU as a consumer wont shop there if he raises the wage by $1, and the labor skills are menial at best.
In the end, no-one is forcing that person to work at minimum wage. When i worked for 6 bucks an hour at No Frills you know what i said to myself?"damn, i cant live on this, better get my *** in gear and do something..."
The absolute worst thing you can do is mandate raising of minimum wage. Ontario did that several years ago and it did absolutely NOTHING for middle class, in fact it was detrimental. As minimum wages increased so did the cost of production/service = raised prices. Middle class gained nothing as they were told times were tough and a lot were asked to take pay cuts. Ironically enough pushing those barely above minimum wage back down to minimum wage.
Back to the energy BS. When you charge 15c a kilowatt and you pay the solar dudes 75c a kilowatt to produce it, it doesnt take a genius to realize that its unsustainable.
Meanwhile OPG in Pickering is going NUTS building **** like its going out of style. Fiances dad works there and he says they are throwing money around like they have a printer in the back.
Let the market dictate pricing. If he cant get qualified workers at a certain hourly wage, he will raise it until he does attract necessary qualifications. Simple as that.
BTW i know what Link666 work is, and i'll let him reveal it if he wants, but trust me, YOU as a consumer wont shop there if he raises the wage by $1, and the labor skills are menial at best.
In the end, no-one is forcing that person to work at minimum wage. When i worked for 6 bucks an hour at No Frills you know what i said to myself?"damn, i cant live on this, better get my *** in gear and do something..."
The absolute worst thing you can do is mandate raising of minimum wage. Ontario did that several years ago and it did absolutely NOTHING for middle class, in fact it was detrimental. As minimum wages increased so did the cost of production/service = raised prices. Middle class gained nothing as they were told times were tough and a lot were asked to take pay cuts. Ironically enough pushing those barely above minimum wage back down to minimum wage.
Back to the energy BS. When you charge 15c a kilowatt and you pay the solar dudes 75c a kilowatt to produce it, it doesnt take a genius to realize that its unsustainable.
Meanwhile OPG in Pickering is going NUTS building **** like its going out of style. Fiances dad works there and he says they are throwing money around like they have a printer in the back.
oilycreek
Banned
I wouldn't mind paying more for things if it was for people making minimum wage to make a couple extra dollars, but I'm pretty sure he could pay more and still make good money without raising prices.
Valid point. Depending on the market, he may not be able to justify raising the prices for whatever service it is that he provides. However, I know from my own experience that the lowest price doesn't automatically mean that you will get all the business. There's something to be said about quality work and quality people within every market. But some markets are just a race to the bottom. In the last week alone I've seen 5 new fliers offering painting services in my neighborhood...how the hell can someone paint a room for $75 WITH PAINT and still make a living wage!? Am I missing something? The damn paint alone costs about $30-40/gallon for anything decent. So at that price he makes $30 IF he doesn't mess it up. Of course he probably charges for every little whole, imperfection and whatever else when he gets there.
Some people are happy making minimum wage, some are not. I'm of the second type. I'm losing my job in 3 weeks, yet offers that have come my way I turned down because frankly it's not worth for me to leave before the end due to severance. Am I worried...yes...will I take a lower paying job when the time comes...sure...but I'll keep looking for better. I'm NOT happy making ******** money, and I am doing what I can to increase my own worth. Be it through education, trying to pick up some work on the side, or learning a new skill.
As to OPG, yes of course it's blowing through money. And we all ***** and complain about the guys there making a sweet sum for a salary but in the end, everyone one of us would want to take their place on the Sunshine List.
Red_Liner740
Well-known member
Yea you would....trust me on this.
Raising the defacto minimum wage across the board does nothing but raises the prices for everyone on everything.
oilycreek
Banned
That's fine, I would rather pay higher prices that benefit someone else, rather the pay higher prices for another tax or higher taxes ect.
Guess what...higher prices=higher sales taxes too. Higher income tax, payroll tax, etc. Government still wins
oilycreek
Banned
I think you're missing the point as usual. If they raise taxes, or implement a new tax only they win, but if instead the minimum wage was raised at least the workers are making more not just the government.
oilycreek
Banned
let me put it this way. I am a single parent of 3 kids, and have been for the last 6 years, with no help from the ex. I consider myself to be one of the lucky ones. Although I have contracted for a couple different companies over that time, and hated working for both, I have been able to make a very good living, now I work for a large company that pays extremely well, has benefits, retirement ect. I couldn't imagine trying it on minimum wage. In my case a couple of dollars above minimum wouldn't make any difference to me as I would still of been screwed, but for some it could mean an extra meal a day for the kids, or some nice clothes ect., so yes the government will make more, but they always do, we can't control that, but what can be controlled is paying workers a little more an hr.
Snobike Mike
Banned
That's ridiculous logic. Higher prices also means it costs more for those earning the higher wages to buy the very stuff they say they can't buy. Raising minimum wage is simply another way that the gubment increases inflation.
My point is that even when the government makes some changes that will benefit some people, they are still going to get more taxes. In the case on the backs of the employers and consumers.
So there are deadbeat wives out there.
Congrats on taking care of the kids you made.
You do realize those minumum wage workers are also consumers, right? So they spin their wheels and have the same buying power, everyone else has less buying power, all while the govt gets a pigger chunk outta everyone's wallets. Brilliant
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oilycreek
Banned
My case is different though. I had court ordered support, but she couldn't afford to pay so I had it suspended. Like I said I'm lucky I can afford to go it myself, and for me to take money from her, it would make her life that much harder.
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oilycreek
Banned
In the end they will have more extra money then what extra taxes they will pay. By your logic no one should be able to afford anything because making more money just means we lose it all to taxes.
And, as that essentially causes an increase in scale with income, it's not as much of an issue. The problem occurs when government decides to levy things like a "debt retirement charge", on your hydro bill, or a health care 'fee.' These are entirely new taxes, that eat directly into income out of scale with that which is received, thereby reducing usable net income. If your income rises by 10% in a year and the rate of taxation remains the same, then the government receives 10% more money from you.
If your income increases by 10% and the basic tax rate remains the same, but the government starts tacking on road tolls, hydro debt retirement charges, HST on products that didn't previously have PST, and health care fees, then your realized income has decreased by a substantial amount.
A large problem here is that most people will start consuming more as soon as they start earning more. So technically they're nowhere further ahead. If they end up making a little bit more money, but their spending stays the same (or lowers a bit) then they are able to start moving slowly ahead. I can't count how many people I know that are so far in debt on consumer spending it's ridiculous. I have no pity for them. It's a choice.
Not only that. We forget that as people start making more money, they (the normal people) begin to feel more worthy in a social setting. It's uplifting on an emotional and confidence level. Even if you're a few dollars above minimum wage, you can feel better about yourself and what you're doing. That's a big bonus.
Are there consequences, yes of course. Employers must then make hard choices. The minimum wage rose up to what...$10.25/hr now or something like that?
The sky didn't fall, the economy (Canada) didn't shatter, and everything continues moving further. If ALL employers in the same market have to raise their wages to a minimum at the same time, technically the prices all rise simultaneously? Then you look at efficiencies in the system to bring your costs down. So be it, get less people, but production and quality can suffer...then it's a downward spiral.
As others have said, I'm willing to pay a premium for a quality item but within reason. If it's 20-30-40% more then no. But a few $ here and there I'm ok with if the money stays here.
Not only that. We forget that as people start making more money, they (the normal people) begin to feel more worthy in a social setting. It's uplifting on an emotional and confidence level. Even if you're a few dollars above minimum wage, you can feel better about yourself and what you're doing. That's a big bonus.
Are there consequences, yes of course. Employers must then make hard choices. The minimum wage rose up to what...$10.25/hr now or something like that?
The sky didn't fall, the economy (Canada) didn't shatter, and everything continues moving further. If ALL employers in the same market have to raise their wages to a minimum at the same time, technically the prices all rise simultaneously? Then you look at efficiencies in the system to bring your costs down. So be it, get less people, but production and quality can suffer...then it's a downward spiral.
As others have said, I'm willing to pay a premium for a quality item but within reason. If it's 20-30-40% more then no. But a few $ here and there I'm ok with if the money stays here.
