Where did you learn to maintain your bike?

freddievercetti

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I'm looking to sign up for the motorcycle maintenance course from RTI but its not until August 24th.

So I was wondering if there is some things I can do on my own to keep it in shape.

  1. In particular I am looking at what sorts of tools I need to get to check the bike chain and see if it needs replacing and lubricate it if its still good. I have no tools at the moment, so I will need to know what tools I need.
  2. I'm also due for an engine oil change or adding on it at the maintenance interval. Should I change the oil fully or should I just add on top of it? I read the bike needs to be straight while doing the test, so I'm assuming I will have to get a rear bike stand?
  3. What sorts of other things should I look for that needs regular inspection? I'm not all too familiar with bike terms or mechanically inclined so if there are pictures bonus points!!

Or should I just bring it in for a service? Afraid service costs will be too much for a rather cheap bike (CBR125).
 
First off, good job on wanting to learn how to work on your bike. It will save you a lot of cash and it is VERY satisfying working on the bike yourself. I just started work on my own bike back in March, the biggest problem I had to overcome was the fear that I would do something wrong and hurt the bike. Once you get over that, you will realize that depending on what bike/model you have that it is quite simple and you will quickly gain confidence.

With regards to your questions:
1) If you are specifically looking for tools to maintain a chain. All you need is the specifications of your bike for the amount of freeplay and a ruler. You can search on youtube for the basic IDEA of how to change the amount of freeplay. You will have to refer to your owners manual or purchase a Haynes manual (which I highly recommend) with regards to how you adjust your chain slider. Different bikes have different methods of slackening or tightening the chain. Also, with regards to cleaning and lubricating the chain, you can purchase a chain brush, chain degreaser as well as chain lube. You can also find multiple videos of this online -it is very easy to do.
2) With regards to an oil change, I recommend you should do a complete oil change at your maintenance interval.. You can find a bike stand of your choice or a lift. I personally bought the bike lift from canadian tire for around $120 -it was not on sale and I needed it urgently. Again, make sure the stand or lift is able to fit your bike. Keep in mind you don't need a lift or stand to do this but I highly recommend it. The first oil change I did, I propped up the bike to near level with some books under the side stand and a rope to keep the bike from tipping over. Not the best idea but it worked fine.. Much easier with a lift though :)
3) I was pretty much in the same boat as you when I first started. I was considering going for the bike maintenance course at Humber, but decided not to as I was busy at the time. Instead, I referred to a forum specifically tailored to my bike which has a database of all types of mods and maintenance tips. I did this together with using my Haynes manual. You can probably find a forum specific to CBR125s and find a maintenance sub-forum for it.

You can also bring it in for a service.. I was going to do just that till I got quoted $450 to do a fluid change for my bike before parts. Instead, I used that $400 to buy tools, the lift and a haynes manual subscription and have done all the maintenance myself as well as some other mods. So far I estimate I have saved more than $2000 doing maintenance myself. The only thing I do not have the confidence to do yet is anything electronic, so instead I found someone (frekeyguy) to do it for me.

Take note that I am not an expert, and am just one or two steps ahead of you. There are many people with a lot more knowledge than me and may have a different opinion of anything I just said. So yeah, hope that helps!
 
im a noob with a 125... ive clean, lubed, adjust chain and changed oil, gonna check valves, compression, and change plugs sometime. its easy. just buy some rear stand, and some tools. much better to spend the cash on tools and equipment and do it yourself than to pay someone. thats one of the main benefits of having a 125 imho, its a cheap way to learn. look at tool kits at can tire and get them on sale, a breaker bar and torque wrench too if you wanna adjust your chain. can tire has all this stuff on sale regularly. mess it up and its not an expensive bike or car. ive already signed for the rti course but im wondering if its just a waste.
 
its easy.
Maybe you have an aptitude for mechanical repairs but that's kinda dismissive of people who don't know a nut from a bolt don'tcha think? I'm a klutz in the kitchen for example, and I hate it when people blurt out ingredients or recipes and say "it's easy" as if that's all I needed to hear.

Rico offers good advice for the OP. My best advice at this early stage of the learning curve is...
1- Ask a lot of questions (so far so good)
2- Never do something that you don't have a plan to undo.
3- Recognise your limits and work within them.
4- Never apply increasing amounts of force. Stop, think, get advice.
 
Must-have tools (imo):

GOOD ratchet set, all 3 kinds of Hex keys (Metric, Imperial, Torx), torque wrench, screwdriver set, rubber mallet, mechanics gloves.

If you're doing electrical invest in a solder gun and wire strippers
 
Canadian Tire has sales every week on socket sets, pick up one of the larger ones if you can. Buy a torque wrench when they go on sale. Buy a screw driver set.

Buy an oil drain pan and a funnel and a lot of shop rags.
Check kijiji for front and rear stands.
 
I learned online and through service manuals. Get some tools and tinker around, you'll figure it out.
 
To answer your questions directly;
1- To check the chain for wear you need a ruler (or better, a micrometer) and the ability to spin the rear wheel. The spinning can be done with just the side stand and a helper. You're looking for a stretched chain (distance between a pre-determined number of links described in the manual) or tight / kinked spots. To adjust the chain you'll need wrenches or sockets in the correct size for your bike's axle. I'm unsure of the actual adjustment method utilized by a CBR125, wrenches are likely required here too.


2- I'm not clear what you're asking here. If it's time for an oil change, change the oil (and filter). If it's not time, but the oil level is just down a bit, top it up. If in doubt, it never hurts to do an oil change. Your bike CAN'T be as complicated as mine for an oil change; 2 drain points, 2 screens, 1 filter. I ended up changing mine on a whim yesterday as my coolant level had gone down inexplicably and I suspected a water pump shaft seal issue. Turned out that there was no coolant in the oil. I suspect I had a bit of air in the cooling system from a rad pull a while ago and it finally "burped" but now I have fresh oil and filter on board and the warm, fuzzy feeling that comes with it.

3- See below.

Canadian Tire has sales every week on socket sets, pick up one of the larger ones if you can. Buy a torque wrench when they go on sale. Buy a screw driver set.

Buy an oil drain pan and a funnel and a lot of shop rags.
Check kijiji for front and rear stands.

Stick with the Mastercraft Maximum line and you can't go wrong. Break a tool? Just bring it in and get a replacement on the spot, not like others such as Stanley where they have to send it away for a replacement. Of course brands like Snap-On are even better, both in quality and customer service / replacement, but you'll pay much more than you need to as a back yard mechanic. Sign up for Canadian Tire's sale emails and you'll scoop some great deals (I'm looking at the tap & die kit on sale right now). A set of good stands (NOT Canadian Tire's) is priceless.

I learned online and through service manuals. Get some tools and tinker around, you'll figure it out.

^^ this. And a bit of help / advice from friends.

Every time I tackle something I've not done before, I realize that it's not as difficult as I thought. It's also great to be able to see how everything works. My 2nd bike had worn rings. I made it a winter project to pull the engine out, put it in my basement, rip it apart, send the block out to be bored out 1 size over, replaced the pistons with the corresponding size, then put it all back together with refreshed / new parts where applicable. That was in 1996 (or 97) and that bike is still running like a top today (a friend bought it). There were a lot of borrowed tools involved during that job. Each job I do has the opportunity to provide justification for a new tool and down the road, using those tools will save you having to pay someone else to do the work for you. The service manual is your friend and will outline what inspections you should be doing and when.

I can't remember the last time one of my bikes went to a shop other than for an alarm install as TD wanted it professionally installed (EDIT; my TL went into the shop in 2003, but that was for a warranty job to have the cracked frame replaced).

I look at the maintenance as part of the hobby. This is a typical winter for my bikes (this bike was torn down even further than this but I forgot to take a pic);

IMG_0653_zpsc5711b3f.jpg
 
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4- Never apply increasing amounts of force. Stop, think, get advice.

I cracked one of my fairing mounts on my GSX-R750 because the frame slider bolt was in the way. Had I removed the bolt, the fairing would have come off. Instead I was thinking "WTF WHY YOU STUCK *HULK PULL*" and tears ensued once I heard the crack. lol
 
4- Never apply increasing amounts of force. Stop, think, get advice.

VERY good advice. Even if everything points to being the right thing but something doesn't feel right, stop and research.

I learned the hard way when Yamaha misprinted a torque spec for an oil tank screen fitting on my WR. As I was replacing the fitting during a more in depth than normal oil change I remember thinking that it was a LOT of torque for the application. I double and triple checked the manual and applied the correct torque to the wrench. Then despite my hesitations, I promptly stripped the threads out of the oil tank and destroyed the $75, back ordered for 2 months, fitting. Thankfully, a jerry-rigged fitting was able to be used until the genuine item finally came in.

I borrowed a tap & die kit for that job, and even though I rarely have need of it, this is the reason I'm looking at the Mastercraft Maximum kit I mentioned in my previous post.
 
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油井緋色;2043518 said:
I cracked one of my fairing mounts on my GSX-R750 because the frame slider bolt was in the way. Had I removed the bolt, the fairing would have come off. Instead I was thinking "WTF WHY YOU STUCK *HULK PULL*" and tears ensued once I heard the crack. lol

See sig.
 
im a noob with a 125... ive clean, lubed, adjust chain and changed oil, gonna check valves, compression, and change plugs sometime. its easy. just buy some rear stand, and some tools. much better to spend the cash on tools and equipment and do it yourself than to pay someone. thats one of the main benefits of having a 125 imho, its a cheap way to learn. look at tool kits at can tire and get them on sale, a breaker bar and torque wrench too if you wanna adjust your chain. can tire has all this stuff on sale regularly. mess it up and its not an expensive bike or car. ive already signed for the rti course but im wondering if its just a waste.

Ok bad news. Tried signing up for the August 24th RTI maintenance course, turns out they're all filled up for the rest of the season.

Anybody who is getting out of the maintenance course, let me know so I can fill the spot asap!!!!
 
Canadian Tire has sales every week on socket sets, pick up one of the larger ones if you can. Buy a torque wrench when they go on sale. Buy a screw driver set.

Buy an oil drain pan and a funnel and a lot of shop rags.
Check kijiji for front and rear stands.

Query, what is the difference between these two torque wrenches?

Mastercraft Maximum 3/8-in Drive Torque Wrench

Product #58-8561-0
Ignore the first link it won't work.
http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443290632&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672077&bmUID=1374259841422
For some wierd reason it won't link. Just search for it on Can tire, looks exactly the same. Don't know what the difference is.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/p...older_id=1408474396672077&bmUID=1374259841422


Mastercraft Maximum 1/2-in Drive Torque Wrench

Product #58-8562-8

http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/p...T<>prd_id=845524443324704&bmUID=1374259723913

 
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Couldn't fix the link above but I'm foreseeing the next problem I'm having.

http://www.hondacbr125r.com/forum/showthread.php?t=732&page=2

Post 13:

You can't see anywhere to put the spools because there isn't any. Just another example of Powersports professional advice.
The CBR125R doesn't have bosses welded to the bottom of the swingarm like most sportbikes. You need a hook type stand for this bike. Harris, Micron and Champion make them. The CTC ones won't work unless you have bosses welded to the swingarm (Not Recomended)

I brought the bike to Kahuna before to check out bike stands and lubrication stuff I needed. One of their associates? tried the rear stand and it didn't work at all, I'm told like the post above that the bike has no spools, which is some sort of nut for the rear stand to hold onto, and the bike was too thin, so he tried the front stand and it works by lifting it up by holding it underneath the rear bike arms (rear axles?). Is that a good idea?
 
Don't know how much the course is but before spending the dough I'd start watching youtube videos and doing some research on forums and general how-to tutorials. Once you get your feet wet actually doing some minor work on your bike I think most people will find that a course is unnecessary for basic maintenance. It's good that you have the desire to do it though. I really do feel that every single rider ought to learn at least the basics.
 
Couldn't fix the link above but I'm foreseeing the next problem I'm having.

http://www.hondacbr125r.com/forum/showthread.php?t=732&page=2

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I brought the bike to Kahuna before to check out bike stands and lubrication stuff I needed. One of their associates? tried the rear stand and it didn't work at all, I'm told like the post above that the bike has no spools, which is some sort of nut for the rear stand to hold onto, and the bike was too thin, so he tried the front stand and it works by lifting it up by holding it underneath the rear bike arms (rear axles?). Is that a good idea?

I have same bike and I use this bike stand set:
http://www.kapscomoto.com/product_p/smi6011.htm

I used the padded stand for my rear swing arms.

I wouldn't rest the bike on them rear axles unless they had spool attachments lol.

Better to be safe and use a padded stand for peace of mind. :)
 
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Buy this

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Product #58-9295-8



Mastercraft Maximum 400 Piece Socket Set



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I was thinking about that, but its a bit too expensive for a newbie like me. I opted for the following:

Mastercraft Socket Set, 162-pc

Product #58-9225-6

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Mastercraft 4-Piece Metric Ratcheting Box End Wrench (different product #, this for SAE/Imperial)

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Sale$9.99
Reg. $39.99Save 75%

Mastercraft Maximum 3/8-in Drive Torque Wrench

Product #58-8561-0

Sale $64.99 (Note flyer has it printed for $59.99, I got the price adjusted to the flyer)
Reg. $134.99 1/2 Price

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brow...imum+3+8-in+Drive+Torque+Wrench.jsp?locale=en



So in total I spent about $146.85 on these tools. Is it good enough set to do the basics, at least like bike chain, engine oil replacing is concerned? Or am I still missing something?
 
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