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What's your expirience with the Dodge/Ram Ecodiesel 3.0L, 2nd Gen (2014-2019)

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Does anyone have experience, and advice, for the Dodge Ecodiesel?

I was warned against them so did a little research, since I'm in the market for the most fuel efficient truck I can afford. The Ecodiesel is more efficient then the v6 RAM and v6 Fords, and those Fords have a lot of issue I've been warned about as well.

My research discovered that these engines have a lot of engine trouble that is all traced back to the emissions system. The un-burned fuel is sent back through the engine and gums everything up, including the main barrings. It's common for these engines to need replacing after less than 200,000 kms, which is very low for a diesel engine. Ridiculous, in my opinion, because diesels are already known for having better emissions than gas engines, but are sooty. And they are throwing that soot back through the intake.

I've also seen testimonials from people who love Ecodiesels, including a good friend of mine who says it's the best engine he's ever owned (in a Jeep Liberty). And he's a mechanic (unlicensed, though, but very experienced, like Derek Bieri without a YouTube channel).

Through my research I also found that people are deleting the emissions components (DPF, EGR and catalytic converter) getting even better fuel efficiency, but most important, doubling or tripling the engine's lifespan. And by all accounts, it works.

I've ignored the warnings and bought a 2015 RAM Laramie Limited Ecodiesel. I pick it up next Saturday. I'm debating the DPF and EGR deletes to conserve the engine, but leaving the catalytic converter to remove emissions. My view is that I don't mind emissions on a vehicle so long as it interferes little with performance and maintenance, but because I know that climate change is a hoax for the purpose of control and profit, I would have no qualms removing these from my vehicle if they are going to cut it's life in half. (FYI, I said what I did about climate change only for the purpose of demonstrating my feelings on the mod, I won't debate climate change here.)

As for fines, I've read on the Cummins forum that not one person commenting has ever heard of fines being given for this. They say it falls under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Evironment, not the MTO. If a fine was given, Ontario.ca says it would be $500, so that risk is worth saving an engine. Extremely unlikely $500 fine? I've even seen postings for Ecodiesel with the delete done being sold, so it's likely not part of a safety, either.

The only other change I plan to make, unrelated to the focus of this post, is to install the Auto Tec "Tesla-Style Navigation & Infotainment System". I once owned a 2017 Ram Sport that I bought new and never liked the GPS, and that it was car play compatible, but not Android Auto compatible.

Incidentally, I sold my 2017 Ram when the gas prices first shot up and showed no signs of slowing. At that time my commute was costing $400/mo. Since then, I road my bike through the first winter, the Mazda3 I replaced the truck with for the next winter. I hate driving the car and have need of a truck. I built a heavy-duty hitch for the car, but it can only pull light loads.
 
I assume this is being registered for personal use and you aren't getting a yellow sticker? If you are getting a yellow sticker, you can't delete as you can't get your annual sticker then. New CMV process works hard to limit the ability of mechanics to perform non-compliant safeties.

I expect (but have nothing to confirm) that Ontario will bring in mandatory recurrent safeties for passenger vehicles. If they do, a deleted truck would be forced to reinstall everything to pass. EGR and DPF are emissions related and required to be installed and operational to pass safety.

From a practical perspective, it looks like DPF and SCR are in front of the cats. Will the cats perform well or burn up if you remove upstream equipment? I have no idea but it's an important question.
 
I assume this is being registered for personal use and you aren't getting a yellow sticker? If you are getting a yellow sticker, you can't delete as you can't get your annual sticker then. New CMV process works hard to limit the ability of mechanics to perform non-compliant safeties.

I expect (but have nothing to confirm) that Ontario will bring in mandatory recurrent safeties for passenger vehicles. If they do, a deleted truck would be forced to reinstall everything to pass. EGR and DPF are emissions related and required to be installed and operational to pass safety.

From a practical perspective, it looks like DPF and SCR are in front of the cats. Will the cats perform well or burn up if you remove upstream equipment? I have no idea but it's an important question.
I don't know what a yellow sticker is, and it'll be personal use, so I guess that's not a concern.

I can't seem to find if the DPF and/or EGR are part of a safety, but if I were to delete it would be after the safety, and I'd already realized I'd have to keep them in case I ever had to reinstall them.

That's a good point. That could be why every kit I've seen has the DPF and cat delete together. I know, as a biker, I don't want to be throwing black smoke at people. I don't know what causes that, but it's a good bet that no cat is the culprit. Anyone know?
 
This might sound silly...

But you already have the car why not just get a truck and drive it only when you need to do truck stuff?
I understand there is a lot more to it than that, but just tossing the idea out there as part of your research..
 
This might sound silly...

But you already have the car why not just get a truck and drive it only when you need to do truck stuff?
I understand there is a lot more to it than that, but just tossing the idea out there as part of your research..
The reason I can't do that is insurance. I already pay for a bike in addition to a four-tired vehicle. I wouldn't be able to insure all three. My wife also has a minivan. I can fit a lot of cars in my drive, but re-arranging them would become a hassel. The Mazda is a standard, and my wife doesn't want to learn to drive it. Otherwise, I considered switching vehicles with her when I need to pull something heavy since the van has power and I've installed a tow package.
I will likely keep the car for my daughter (17) since she's finally interested in driving. She's the reason I bought a standard when I sold my truck. It's the best way to learn in my opinion. The Mazda is on a rebuild title so it isn't worth much even though it drives perfect.
 
I don't know what a yellow sticker is, and it'll be personal use, so I guess that's not a concern.

I can't seem to find if the DPF and/or EGR are part of a safety, but if I were to delete it would be after the safety, and I'd already realized I'd have to keep them in case I ever had to reinstall them.

That's a good point. That could be why every kit I've seen has the DPF and cat delete together. I know, as a biker, I don't want to be throwing black smoke at people. I don't know what causes that, but it's a good bet that no cat is the culprit. Anyone know?
Yellow sticker is for commercial use (or registered GVW over 6500kg IIRC).

Page 12/13 has exhaust system. Wording isn't great imo.


HTA 75.1 can get you almost $2000 in tickets. I doubt OPP would know enough but if you got pulled in for an MTO roadside check, it could hurt.


For commercial vehicles, the DPF and DEF need to be there (p3). CMV also requires an OBD connection which would flag missing systems. I expect passenger vehicles will head this route in the future as well.


Black smoke is caused by over-fueling a diesel to make more power. DPF would catch most of it. Cat may burn some up (or it may plug and die without DPF protecting it). Since you'd need a tune for engine to run without DEF/DPF, I expect that you will have some visible smoke when hard on the throttle (which increases your heat score).
 
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The reason I can't do that is insurance. I already pay for a bike in addition to a four-tired vehicle. I wouldn't be able to insure all three. My wife also has a minivan. I can fit a lot of cars in my drive, but re-arranging them would become a hassel. The Mazda is a standard, and my wife doesn't want to learn to drive it. Otherwise, I considered switching vehicles with her when I need to pull something heavy since the van has power and I've installed a tow package.
I will likely keep the car for my daughter (17) since she's finally interested in driving. She's the reason I bought a standard when I sold my truck. It's the best way to learn in my opinion. The Mazda is on a rebuild title so it isn't worth much even though it drives perfect.
That makes perfect sense, was just tossing it out there but figured there was already a reason you were not considering this.
 
Does anyone have experience, and advice, for the Dodge Ecodiesel?

I was warned against them so did a little research, since I'm in the market for the most fuel efficient truck I can afford. The Ecodiesel is more efficient then the v6 RAM and v6 Fords, and those Fords have a lot of issue I've been warned about as well.

My research discovered that these engines have a lot of engine trouble that is all traced back to the emissions system. The un-burned fuel is sent back through the engine and gums everything up, including the main barrings. It's common for these engines to need replacing after less than 200,000 kms, which is very low for a diesel engine. Ridiculous, in my opinion, because diesels are already known for having better emissions than gas engines, but are sooty. And they are throwing that soot back through the intake.

I've also seen testimonials from people who love Ecodiesels, including a good friend of mine who says it's the best engine he's ever owned (in a Jeep Liberty). And he's a mechanic (unlicensed, though, but very experienced, like Derek Bieri without a YouTube channel).

Through my research I also found that people are deleting the emissions components (DPF, EGR and catalytic converter) getting even better fuel efficiency, but most important, doubling or tripling the engine's lifespan. And by all accounts, it works.

I've ignored the warnings and bought a 2015 RAM Laramie Limited Ecodiesel. I pick it up next Saturday. I'm debating the DPF and EGR deletes to conserve the engine, but leaving the catalytic converter to remove emissions. My view is that I don't mind emissions on a vehicle so long as it interferes little with performance and maintenance, but because I know that climate change is a hoax for the purpose of control and profit, I would have no qualms removing these from my vehicle if they are going to cut it's life in half. (FYI, I said what I did about climate change only for the purpose of demonstrating my feelings on the mod, I won't debate climate change here.)

As for fines, I've read on the Cummins forum that not one person commenting has ever heard of fines being given for this. They say it falls under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Evironment, not the MTO. If a fine was given, Ontario.ca says it would be $500, so that risk is worth saving an engine. Extremely unlikely $500 fine? I've even seen postings for Ecodiesel with the delete done being sold, so it's likely not part of a safety, either.

The only other change I plan to make, unrelated to the focus of this post, is to install the Auto Tec "Tesla-Style Navigation & Infotainment System". I once owned a 2017 Ram Sport that I bought new and never liked the GPS, and that it was car play compatible, but not Android Auto compatible.

Incidentally, I sold my 2017 Ram when the gas prices first shot up and showed no signs of slowing. At that time my commute was costing $400/mo. Since then, I road my bike through the first winter, the Mazda3 I replaced the truck with for the next winter. I hate driving the car and have need of a truck. I built a heavy-duty hitch for the car, but it can only pull light loads.
If everything is working fine I would leave it alone these engines don't blow because of the emissions they blow the rods . They spin connecting rod bearings and then throw the rod at the side of the block.

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I know someone who had one, and traded it in after the second DPF replacement under warranty. But, he did a lot of short-trip urban driving, and that's not good for any emission-controlled diesel because the DPF never has time to regenerate itself. If you do a decent number of longer trips (30 min + at highway speed) then DPF regen shouldn't be an issue.
 
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I know someone who had one, and traded it in after the second DPF replacement under warranty. But, he did a lot of short-trip urban driving, and that's not good for any emission-controlled diesel because the DPF never has time to regenerate itself. If you do a decent number of longer trips (30 min + at highway speed) then DPF regen shouldn't be an issue.
I wish automakers made the regen more obvious. They try to hide everything that is going on. A simple "Regen in progress, xx minutes remaining" would be very helpful. If you were planning on stopping before that time, extend the trip slightly to allow the cycle to complete properly. Short cycling regen is bad for everything. On my last diesel, idle was raised slightly and fan was on high speed but regen was otherwise not obvious.
 
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I know someone who had one, and traded it in after the second DPF replacement under warranty. But, he did a lot of short-trip urban driving, and that's not good for any emission-controlled diesel because the DPF never has time to regenerate itself. If you do a decent number of longer trips (30 min + at highway speed) then DPF regen shouldn't be an issue.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I didn't know about this. I'll look more into it so I can understand it and hopefully prolong it's life.
My commute is 25 minutes. Not sure if that will be enough. I'll see what I can find out.
 
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I didn't know about this. I'll look more into it so I can understand it and hopefully prolong it's life.
My commute is 25 minutes. Not sure if that will be enough. I'll see what I can find out.
Given where you live, I suspect that's highway which is much better than city. I don't think that's long enough for a regen as it won't start until engine is up to temp, meets the conditions to start regen (sustained load for a while, etc) and then it takes 10 minutes or so (ime, maybe ram does it differently).
 
I wish automakers made the regen more obvious. They try to hide everything that is going on. A simple "Regen in progress, xx minutes remaining" would be very helpful. If you were planning on stopping before that time, extend the trip slightly to allow the cycle to complete properly. Short cycling regen is bad for everything. On my last diesel, idle was raised slightly and fan was on high speed but regen was otherwise not obvious.
Ugh, we had that DPF thing on my FIFO job....as we all used F350 diesels and every now and again it would go into high rev mode for 5-10min.

ALL of our trips were within a 30km road at low speeds...and the vast majority of my drives were 500m (if that) b/w camp and job site.

I couldn't place where I saw the DPF acronym before until you mentioned the 'Regen in progress, xx minutes remaining'. First time it happened I thought I broke the truck.
 
Ugh, we had that DPF thing on my FIFO job....as we all used F350 diesels and every now and again it would go into high rev mode for 5-10min.

ALL of our trips were within a 30km road at low speeds...and the vast majority of my drives were 500m (if that) b/w camp and job site.

I couldn't place where I saw the DPF acronym before until you mentioned the 'Regen in progress, xx minutes remaining'. First time it happened I thought I broke the truck.
Terrible application for them. Especially with random drivers. You are lucky you didn't smell it. Regen is bloody hot. A random could easily think their truck was on fire with the heat/smell coming off.

If you can maintain high enough load, regen can happen without much fuel cost. If load drops, it starts pumping in extra fuel to be burned in the exhaust to keep temps up. On your site trucks, that fuel was probably not an insignificant portion of the fuel burned (although probably not as much as them perpetually idling).
 
I have family in Windsor retired from Chrysler and they typically get the latest toys from Stellantis. For all the dog breakfast models they have owned and cherished over the years, not one of them would chance having an eco diesel.

I don’t mind Dodge trucks but, I’d stick with their Hemi or Cummins power train. Even with the diesel cheating scandal associated with Cummins Ram. What ever you save in burning oil instead of petro, put aside for a rainy day transmission.

Personally, what ever savings at the pump is washed away with maintenance of modern diesel emissions. Just go petro if you need a pick up and hold your nose until the handle clicks.

I know, not funny or helpful. It’s Friday and the weekend is almost here. Time for a ride!
 
I have family in Windsor retired from Chrysler and they typically get the latest toys from Stellantis. For all the dog breakfast models they have owned and cherished over the years, not one of them would chance having an eco diesel.

I don’t mind Dodge trucks but, I’d stick with their Hemi or Cummins power train. Even with the diesel cheating scandal associated with Cummins Ram. What ever you save in burning oil instead of petro, put aside for a rainy day transmission.

Personally, what ever savings at the pump is washed away with maintenance of modern diesel emissions. Just go petro if you need a pick up and hold your nose until the handle clicks.

I know, not funny or helpful. It’s Friday and the weekend is almost here. Time for a ride!
I miss the diesel fuel economy but I agree with you. Unless I spent a high percentage of the time pulling heavy loads or was driving hundreds of km's per day, modern diesels don't make sense. It has finally inverted now but for the past few years, diesel has been more expensive than gas which further eats into potential savings. Consider how far gas engines have come (pickups going from 5 mpg to 20 mpg) and it really makes the diesel economics hard to justify. Diesel is nice to drive and going so far between fillups makes you feel good but as you said, it is basically a deferred cost as maintenance and repairs cost more.
 
I don’t see that many on the road for some reason
 
I don’t see that many on the road for some reason
Thousands more up front, questionable economics on the back end and general lack of knowledge probably all contribute. Honestly, I expect many people would avoid a diesel as they were annoyed at waiting three seconds for the glow plugs. Most people want to hop in and hammer down and diesel is not a good fit for that.
 
If your in construction or pulling large trailers diesel can make sense . For an average commuter now it’s expensive pain. Take your diesel sprinter van in anywhere and find out the “diesel “ mechanic has an 8 day waiting list .
For some reason diesel and techs are everywhere in Europe, almost a unicorn here . BMW dealer did a back flip when we traded in the diesel wagon. You just don’t get them here .


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