ruffriders
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Harley bagger may be a possibility too
nope, just drop em off and they are doneDo you do your own service?
Between the RT and the FJR, I know which one I would rather do the valve adjustment on.
Street glide special looks sweet too
Me? FJR. I know dozens of riders who had never done one in 100+K, I know nobody who has ever had to do an adjustment. I do them at 50 K, and say DOH! every time -- it's just a waste of 6 hours. I also never have to replace regular BMW RT parts shaft drive parts, ujoints, tranny input shaft bearings, cruise controls, cooling fans, alternators. FJRs are Yamaha bulletproof - in 12 years and 100K I have -- not replaced a single part other than tires, 1 battery, spark plugs, brake pads and fluids.Do you do your own service?
Between the RT and the FJR, I know which one I would rather do the valve adjustment on.
Always heard ADV bikes are terrible for real off road stuff. Not that I'd know.I just notice you said no ADV bike.. but they are really really good on the road too. they arent just solely DAKAR machines they can do it all.
all the besr
12 years and 100K is a pretty good run for a bike to stay in spec with zero repairs -- just maintenance. I have a couple of old gals in the garage too, my Yamaha XV920r was born in 1981 (she's 39) and my Honda GL1000 in 76 (she's 44) -- neither have had major repairs (except starter on the XV)-- I'd trust hopping on either of them for a coast to coast tour.Longitudinal engine layout has a mechanical advantage for shaft drive anything, one less 90 degree turn in the powertrain is not insignificant for the same reason a traverse mounted engine has a mechanical advantage driving a chain.
BMW and Moto Guzzi feature a paralever type rear suspension that reduces or eliminates rear wheel hop inherent in a regular direct shaft drive units and the telelever front suspension reduces or eliminates nose dive during normal to heavy braking.
12 years you say Mike if that is the measure of being bulletproof, my BMW turns 34 this year and when I'm done with it I will be leaving it to my 1 year old grand child. (you won't be going 34 years without a valve clearance adjustment)
From experience and what I have seen and heard, most Japanese and Euro bikes ridden within their design limits are reliable and some are easier to work on than the others. "Cost" and "availability of parts", is where the divergence is.12 years and 100K is a pretty good run for a bike to stay in spec with zero repairs -- just maintenance. I have a couple of old gals in the garage too, my Yamaha XV920r was born in 1981 (she's 39) and my Honda GL1000 in 76 (she's 44) -- neither have had major repairs (except starter on the XV)-- I'd trust hopping on either of them for a coast to coast tour.
Always heard ADV bikes are terrible for real off road stuff. Not that I'd know.
I also have little knowledge in this category but if it was me I'd probably be looking at a VFR800 but that's because I generally prefer smaller bikes than smaller engines so I don't need a 1000+cc beast.
Dependability too -- it's a big part of TCO. It's tough for a Euro bike manufacturer to get to the dependability levels of Japanese bikes -- they simply don't have the volume to warrant the extensive testing in manufacturing and design. Also, most Euro bikes outsource suspension, brakes, fuel delivery, electrics/electronics, and engine management systems -- they don't have 100% design and manufacturing control. Japanese bike manufacturers own the companies that design & build most of their parts.From experience and what I have seen and heard, most Japanese and Euro bikes ridden within their design limits are reliable and some are easier to work on than the others. "Cost" and "availability of parts", is where the divergence is.
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Very true, glad you mentioned the "dependability".Dependability too -- it's a big part of TCO. It's tough for a Euro bike manufacturer to get to the dependability levels of Japanese bikes -- they simply don't have the volume to warrant the extensive testing in manufacturing and design. Also, most Euro bikes outsource suspension, brakes, fuel delivery, electrics/electronics, and engine management systems -- they don't have 100% design and manufacturing control. Japanese bike manufacturers own the companies that design & build most of their parts.
It's hard to believe that it took most Euro bike manufacturers 20 years to figure out the impact of methanol on gas tanks and fuel delivery systems.
Earlier this year I hear