What stops faster "Car VS bike" - debate

What stops faster - modern car or moderne sportbike

  • Modern car with 4 wheel disk brakes - NON ABS

    Votes: 28 13.8%

  • Modern car with 4 wheel disk brakes - with ABS

    Votes: 76 37.4%

  • Modern bike with 2 wheel disk brakes - NON ABS

    Votes: 51 25.1%

  • Modern bike with 2 wheel disk brakes - with ABS

    Votes: 48 23.6%
  • Total voters
    203
mike.from.canmore said:
Right- it doesn't, now you're getting it. But changing the center of gravity does.

Removing weight from below the center of gravity of a bike, would INCREASE stopping distances.

BECAUSE sportbikes typically can't utilize their available traction, since the bike will stoppie / flip over.
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damn that space shuttle must stop on a dime
 
kellen said:
damn that space shuttle must stop on a dime
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nope, it is not equipped with brakes that are easily able to lock the wheels.

Also, while it traveling along the runway, at speed, trying to decelerate, much of the weight is carried by the wings rather than the wheels.


All conversations about artificial downforce don't really apply to this particular comparison, as we are not comparing F1 cars to Moto GP bikes. if we were, the F1 cars can decelerate almost 4 times faster dues to the additional downforce.
 
IMO, a bike will stop faster then a car, no doubt in my mind about that, thats from personal experience.


People that are stopping quicker in their cars then bikes on here are starting to get me worried. LOL

Are you guys being serious?
 
twinn said:
IMO, a bike will stop faster then a car, no doubt in my mind about that, thats from personal experience.


People that are stopping quicker in their cars then bikes on here are starting to get me worried. LOL

Are you guys being serious?
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Here's from 2 days ago:

SweetOnion said:
Okay so just for the record... Some of you guys can actually stop faster in your cars than on your bikes?? Damn, that just seems weird and almost scary to me.
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twinn said:
IMO, a bike will stop faster then a car, no doubt in my mind about that, thats from personal experience.


People that are stopping quicker in their cars then bikes on here are starting to get me worried. LOL

Are you guys being serious?
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I am being very serious.

What bike do you ride? and what car do you have in mind when you compare the two in your head?
 
mike.from.canmore said:
I am being very serious.

What bike do you ride? and what car do you have in mind when you compare the two in your head?
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2006 SV650, sawed off stock muffer + leo vince muffer. EBC HH Pads. Pilot Power 2CT tires.

2004 Jeep TJ. Bone Stock.

If I was going to have a real comparison, I would have a braking contest between the Jeep and the next Via Rail that comes into town.

Oh and there is more weight being shifted upwards of the CoG, as I have added lighter rear sets that are also mounted 3/4's an inch higher than stock... haven't noticed a decrease in braking abilities yet, however. :)
 
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SweetOnion said:
2006 SV650, sawed off stock muffer + leo vince muffer. EBC HH Pads. Pilot Power 2CT tires.

2004 Jeep TJ. Bone Stock.

If I was going to have a real comparison, I would have a braking contest between the Jeep and the next Via Rail that comes into town.

Oh and there is more weight being shifted upwards of the CoG, as I have added lighter rear sets that are also mounted 3/4's an inch higher than stock... haven't noticed a decrease in braking abilities yet, however. :)
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I'm afraid steel wheels on steel rails don't have very high friction
 
mike.from.canmore said:
I am being very serious.

What bike do you ride? and what car do you have in mind when you compare the two in your head?
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Its all of the bikes that I have owned or have ridden significantly

ie.. my 9R vs Sunfire GT 9R wins
9R vx TDI jetta 9R wins
FZ6 vs both FZ6 wins
GSXR1000 vs both GSXR wins

And that is at hwy speeds 100-140km/hr if we get to top end runs of 250km/hr plus, its not even close, the faster you go on a bike the better the braking perfomance is going to be compared to an average car like the ones you mentioned.

The only bike i have ever owned that would brake worse then a car would have been KLR 650 and that is a dirt bike, my sunfire gt/jetta tdi would out perform the KLR in braking.


I don;t have any stats, just personal experience.

for the record, both sunfire gt/jetta tdi have two wheel disc in the front and drums in the rear.
 
SweetOnion said:
2006 SV650, sawed off stock muffer + leo vince muffer. EBC HH Pads. Pilot Power 2CT tires.

2004 Jeep TJ. Bone Stock.

If I was going to have a real comparison, I would have a braking contest between the Jeep and the next Via Rail that comes into town.

Oh and there is more weight being shifted upwards of the CoG, as I have added lighter rear sets that are also mounted 3/4's an inch higher than stock... haven't noticed a decrease in braking abilities yet, however. :)
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You're purposely misunderstanding there.

the more weight being shifted upwards will not cause any noticeable decrease in braking abilities... it will, as a matter of fact, cause your bike to stoppie easier (how could you deny that fact), and in turn, since your bike will stoppie and flip over before you reach the coefficient of friction your tires can provide... well.. it doesn't get any more clear than this.

The title alone of this article - http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=209&Set=199-231 should be enough to make you understand my point.
 
I don't really know man.
Common sense would tell me that an average bike in the hands of a average rider should stop better than an average car (no abs) with an average driver. why?
i consider myself a not so skilled rider (i know there's a ton of room for improvement) and a very good driver. i have a 8 year old bike (no abs) and a 10 year old car (no ABS). in the worst circumstances i feel (this is all about G's here) that I'm stopping better on the bike. And waaay better in controlled circumstances ( yeah, I practice from time to time).

on the other hand, if i were to choose between my car and my bike, when it hits the fan and i HAVE to stop as short as possible.... i'd pick the car that i've been driving for many, many, many years now. it has seatbelts and everything else :p
 
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mike.from.canmore said:
You're purposely misunderstanding there.

the more weight being shifted upwards will not cause any noticeable decrease in braking abilities... it will, as a matter of fact, cause your bike to stoppie easier (how could you deny that fact), and in turn, since your bike will stoppie and flip over before you reach the coefficient of friction your tires can provide... well.. it doesn't get any more clear than this.

The title alone of this article - http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=209&Set=199-231 should be enough to make you understand my point.
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Dude that part was a JOKE. :)

The fact remains that my bike will out brake the Jeep by a MASSIVE, MASSIVE distance.
 
twinn said:
Its all of the bikes that I have owned or have ridden significantly

ie.. my 9R vs Sunfire GT 9R wins
9R vx TDI jetta 9R wins
FZ6 vs both FZ6 wins
GSXR1000 vs both GSXR wins

And that is at hwy speeds 100-140km/hr if we get to top end runs of 250km/hr plus, its not even close, the faster you go on a bike the better the braking perfomance is going to be compared to an average car like the ones you mentioned.

The only bike i have ever owned that would brake worse then a car would have been KLR 650 and that is a dirt bike, my sunfire gt/jetta tdi would out perform the KLR in braking.


I don;t have any stats, just personal experience.

for the record, both sunfire gt/jetta tdi have two wheel disc in the front and drums in the rear.
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you are entitled to your opinion, but I'm trying to deal with facts (and figures where applicable).


So you are basically calling BS on these articles?
http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=209&Set=199-231

http://www.stevemunden.com/braking.html
 
ok folks it's time i chime in. i'm a living proof that bikes stop faster than regular cars. because i did it. to do a panic stop from 120 - 0 all you had to do is go apeshit on the brakes and if you still can't make it, lean a little and self induce a rear skid/fishtail and highside yourself the last millisecond to stop and prevent yourself from a rear ending incident. :D:laughing8::laughing8: just make sure you are wearing gear and the bike has adequate crash protection (so you can still ride home after) sliders are useless cuz it will snap for sure and most likely destroy your frame. race rails/engine guards are where it's at. you dont even need to worry about the car behind you running you over because the highside will launch you a few ft forward and even if the car behind you can't stop in time your bike can act as a road block.


ok j/k
 
mike.from.canmore said:
But will your bike outbrake... A Honda civic? Si?, Accord, Mazda3, how bout a Mazda Miata? it's light! - as if weight mattered.
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Well in your opinion weight does not matter. So why does a change in vehicle? The Jeep will have the front wheels on the brink of locking, I find the ABS to be particularly good on dry pavement... I hammered them as hard as they would go just a week or two ago on an open road, just to see what happened.
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