What do you make of this activity...?

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I can promise you that this is going on. As a wireless Internet provider, I am often called on by the police to provide means for them to surveil. I strongly suspect that with the 4G cell technology (low-freq, high-power penetration) you will see them parking cars etc. with camera gear in front of houses, etc. In fact, I have no doubt that they're doing it now.

Thoughts on the specific video: they haven't charged him with theft because if they do, they have to open up a giant can of worms WRT property rights, etc. and potentially other concerns. You'll note how classy they are about blaming the victim for the crime, though.
 
His property, his cameras.. Pretty nice ones too.. Maybe he should place them outside the local Timmies :cool:
 
The fine people of York Region tend to get upset when you find their tracking devices on your vehicle and remove them too. They like to scream and threaten to charge you with theft over $5000.
 
Charly said:
The fine people of York Region tend to get upset when you find their tracking devices on your vehicle and remove them too. They like to scream and threaten to charge you with theft over $5000.
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Wasn't me, officer.. It was the GPS-fairy.. Now be a good lad and **** off.. If you need a replacement, I'm selling an identical unit on kijiji :cool:
 
I think they should have at very least cleared the memory of the disks. Otherwise I would be charging the police with something as I imagine those photos are very disturbing and perhaps tramatizing. They better spit out reason for those cameras being there. Plus how would catching video of the guy at his house prove hes graffiting buildings around town.
 
"... if they followed proper procedure..." Obviously not if images were left on one of the SD cards, that pertained to other investigations. If the cameras were on his property then they were "abandoned" there, and it's up to RCMP to show otherwise. They could do that, quite simply, by showing a warrant. Odds are they didn't have one though. How do you commit theft of something that was left on your property, without your permission?

Why does it always seem to be BC RCMP?
 
FiReSTaRT said:
I would like for the "if you've got nothing to hide..." crowd to offer naked pictures of their children for free distribution over the Internet.. After all, they've got nothing to hide :cool:
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Pics of their wife or their 20yr old daughter would do.
But I know where you're coming from brother :cool:
 
Rob MacLennan said:
"... if they followed proper procedure..." Obviously not if images were left on one of the SD cards, that pertained to other investigations. If the cameras were on his property then they were "abandoned" there, and it's up to RCMP to show otherwise. They could do that, quite simply, by showing a warrant. Odds are they didn't have one though. How do you commit theft of something that was left on your property, without your permission?

Why does it always seem to be BC RCMP?
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I pretty much agree but I'm not sure if the courts would see the cameras as abandoned. The RCMP however would have a hard time getting the court to see the cameras as stolen as the RCMP spokesman comments. More like lost and found with the finder reporting the find to a responsible party, a reasonable action.

The RCMP is in serious need of attitude adjustment from the outside. They have 99% proven they are incapable of cleaning up their own act.

Leaving images on the camera??? How much does a new SD card cost???

If those are original images needed for evidence, the evidence is corrupted through the change of possession. (Based on watching CSI Miami.)
 
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nobbie48 said:
I pretty much agree but I'm not sure if the courts would see the cameras as abandoned. The RCMP however would have a hard time getting the court to see the cameras as stolen as the RCMP spokesman comments. More like lost and found with the finder reporting the find to a responsible party, a reasonable action.

The RCMP is in serious need of attitude adjustment from the outside. They have 99% proven they are incapable of cleaning up their own act.

Leaving images on the camera??? How much does a new SD card cost???

If those are original images needed for evidence, the evidence is corrupted through the change of possession. (Based on watching CSI Miami.)
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Then perhaps I should have said "could be presumed abandoned" instead then. If they entered someone's private property with the intention of placing something there, then the property owner has a certain amount of latitude in disposing of it how he chooses. If someone parks a vehicle on your property you can have it removed, for example.

Here's the follow-up to the story:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...1/11/25/bc-surveillance-cameras-returned.html

I see no mention that there was a warrant for this.

As to "cleaning up their act":

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/12/06/pol-cp-paulson-rcmp-interview.html

The chain of evidence is only broken if that card, itself, had to be used. The images could easily have been transferred to other media, while maintaining the chain. What has been damaged is privacy, and potentially the secrecy of investigation.
 
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With the massive gang and drug problem in B.C. I am shocked that this much effort was put into monitoring a graffiti artist.
 
AdRath said:
With the massive gang and drug problem in B.C. I am shocked that this much effort was put into monitoring a graffiti artist.
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As the story I posted indicated, he was originally being monitored as part of a gro op investigation, according to RCMP.
 
i don't know if the guy can be charged with theft if the cameras were placed there under proper procedure, but i guess the lawyer knows all that stuff...as for me, i would have loaded the memory cards up with kiddie porn and plenty of other undesirable material before handing over to the lawyer, make the biggest crap fest for the cops to get themselves out of...or plant them with said material on another officers property, then wonder if it will really hit the fan...
 
GayManLoveIsOK said:
i don't know if the guy can be charged with theft if the cameras were placed there under proper procedure, but i guess the lawyer knows all that stuff...as for me, i would have loaded the memory cards up with kiddie porn and plenty of other undesirable material before handing over to the lawyer, make the biggest crap fest for the cops to get themselves out of...or plant them with said material on another officers property, then wonder if it will really hit the fan...
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Not sure how much you know about the digital world but it would be simple to find when those photos were placed on the disk and then buddy has a **** load more problems. Hes be charged with possesion of kiddie porn (he had to find it or have it to load it to the disk) and sharing kiddie porn which is an even worse offence. They could prob nab him for attempting to set the cops up. And I am sure hed be royally ****ed. Not to mention hed be forever labeled with the kiddie porn part.
 
Seibel says the graffiti artist allegedly had been tagging Grand Forks with a logo bearing guns and the word "dissent."
"The images of AK47s crossed with the word 'dissent' does cause the RCMP some concerns for safety issues," said Seibel.

"If that happened in my neighbourhood or at my daughter's school or a public area, I'd have some concerns for that.
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Will someone please think of the children? Somebody used the word "dissent" :shock:
 
Rob MacLennan said:
As the story I posted indicated, he was originally being monitored as part of a gro op investigation, according to RCMP.
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It seemed from the article that the surveillance was only initiated after they found evidence that he was a grafitti artist. That is the part I have issue with. At that point they should have moved on rather than increase the cost and effort to pin something on this guy. The guys law enforcment need to worry about being terrorists aren't the ones actively painting AK47 on buildings and bridges.
 
AdRath said:
It seemed from the article that the surveillance was only initiated after they found evidence that he was a grafitti artist. That is the part I have issue with. At that point they should have moved on rather than increase the cost and effort to pin something on this guy. The guys law enforcment need to worry about being terrorists aren't the ones actively painting AK47 on buildings and bridges.
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Knowing a lot about the graffiti world, I can say that if this guy's being monitored to that point, he's probably costing the cities a lot of money. Some of the country's best graffiti artists are from BC & Ontario...and many of them regularly travel to other cities to do their thing (which is why I'd imagine that RCMP's on it). The small clip of him using a stencil shows that he has a decent grasp of can control. So I have clue what he writes, but chances are that he's decent. He also looks the hipster part :p

But then again, my point goes out the window if he's just an amateur and now RCMP's just looking to save face somehow. Only thing throwing me off is that he wears a guy fawkes mask to write. lmao
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