What’s the deal

[PrivatePilot]

As long as 100% of your trips are inside 160km radius, you can avoid elogs.

My bad, I thought that exception had been closed when elogs went full mandatory. It was a topic of hot discussion at the time.

I have, for years, fell inside this 160km radius exemption so haven't kept full logs forever, but there was still a documentation requirement that I had to carry with me for that exemption. Now that our fleet is all e-log equipped, we don't have the option anymore (we all run full elogs regardless of 1km or 160km radius) but I guess that's just a company policy now. If anyone operates any of our equipment without being signed into that tractor to log the distance, that mileage comes up as "unclaimed" and it pesters every other driver that then signs in after the fact to see if it was theirs and claim it - you have to specifically sign off that it wasn't and have it annotated if not, then it continues as "unclaimed".

 

[Renboy]

Yes, many would actually. Absolutely.

Maybe once, until they scared themselves and dropped down to their comfort zone. And even that would be a small percentage of people. Most people, and by most I mean the vast majority aren't car/bike enthusiasts. Go to any track for any motorsport and you see the same handful of people every time. I owned a mechanic shop for a while and there's people out there that don't even know the make of their car. Not just the model, they don't know the make. They just know it's the blue one that flashes when they hit the button on the remote. Do you think they're going to hit 200km/h? You have a biased opinion because you're on a bike forum and probably car forums. My guess is that your friends are probably interested in vehicles as well. You're part of a minority.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Maybe once, until they scared themselves and dropped down to their comfort zone

The average driver on our roads today cannot identify the difference between their "comfort zone" vs their actual "skill zone". Studies have shown time and time again that people think they are better drivers than they actually are, and then then these same people go out and actually operate their vehicles accordingly. One only need to look around during every snowstorm or wreck on the 401 in broad daylight to see the results of those decisions to drive far in excess of their actual abilities.

Almost everyone thinks they're "good" to "excellent" drivers when you look at the surveys. Even the most casual observation of people actually out on the roads tells you that this isn't even close to true.

Let's not even get into the <25YO drivers who are all absolutely convinced without a shred of doubt that they are the second coming of Mario Andretti.

 

[Renboy]

The average driver on our roads today cannot identify the difference between their "comfort zone" vs their actual "skill zone". Studies have shown time and time again that people think they are better drivers than they actually are, and then then these same people go out and actually operate their vehicles accordingly. One only need to look around during every snowstorm or wreck on the 401 in broad daylight to see the results of those decisions to drive far in excess of their actual abilities.

Almost everyone thinks they're "good" to "excellent" drivers when you look at the surveys. Even the most casual observation of people actually out on the roads tells you that this isn't even close to true.

Let's not even get into the <25YO drivers who are all absolutely convinced without a shred of doubt that they are the second coming of Mario Andretti.

I agree with literally everything you just posted. That doesn't mean that the speed limits are set accordingly. They are too low, and erratically enforced. Set the limit to 140km/h so most people aren't breaking the law all the time, raise the fines substantially, and enforce them strictly. In Czechia the speed limit on major highways is 130km/h. They give a 3km/h tolerance, after that, you get a ticket, and the tickets are big. People there don't play the game of F around and find out.
I remember reading that limits on 400 series highways were set at a dangerously low speed. People do stupid $#!+ because they think they can and aren't afraid. Put some fear in them to let them self regulate.

 

[timtune]

I would be ok with higher speeds ONLY if there was proper distracted driving laws. With every driver staring at their crotch it needs to be harsh, like maybe 6 months suspension for the first offence.

 

[nobbie48]

I agree with literally everything you just posted. That doesn't mean that the speed limits are set accordingly. They are too low, and erratically enforced. Set the limit to 140km/h so most people aren't breaking the law all the time, raise the fines substantially, and enforce them strictly. In Czechia the speed limit on major highways is 130km/h. They give a 3km/h tolerance, after that, you get a ticket, and the tickets are big. People there don't play the game of F around and find out.
I remember reading that limits on 400 series highways were set at a dangerously low speed. People do stupid $#!+ because they think they can and aren't afraid. Put some fear in them to let them self regulate.

Totally useless here unless they enforce lane discipline.

 

[Renboy]

I'm curious now, does anyone here drive the QEW and other 400 series highways often? If so, do you notice a speed difference given the fact that the QEW speed limit is 110km/h? My guess is the difference in average speed on both highways is less than the 10km/h speed limit difference. For example on the 401 the average speed is for example 120km/h (100km/h limit), and on the QEW the average speed is 125km/h (120km/h limit). Anecdotal, I know, but I don't know where to find accurate information for this.

 

[GreyGhost]

I'm curious now, does anyone here drive the QEW and other 400 series highways often? If so, do you notice a speed difference given the fact that the QEW speed limit is 120km/h? My guess is the difference in average speed on both highways is less than the 20km/h speed limit difference. For example on the 401 the average speed is for example 120km/h (100km/h limit), and on the QEW the average speed is 130km/h (120km/h limit). Anecdotal, I know, but I don't know where to find accurate information for this.

110km/h? There are normally speed studies done. I havent seen one for a while on 400 series highways (but I havent looked).

 

[Evoex]

I'm curious now, does anyone here drive the QEW and other 400 series highways often? If so, do you notice a speed difference given the fact that the QEW speed limit is 120km/h? My guess is the difference in average speed on both highways is less than the 20km/h speed limit difference. For example on the 401 the average speed is for example 120km/h (100km/h limit), and on the QEW the average speed is 130km/h (120km/h limit). Anecdotal, I know, but I don't know where to find accurate information for this.

120????

 

[PrivatePilot]

Set the limit to 140km/h so most people aren't breaking the law all the time, raise the fines substantially, and enforce them strictly

Sounds great, except we can't enforce the highway laws we currently have.

So, for those will will, without doubt, inevitably take a 20% higher speed limit to push it to 30 or 40%, do we bring back photo radar to reach that required level of enforcement to avoid abuse? No politician in their right mind would dare touch that with a million foot pole right now. Heck, have you seen the outcry from people about municipal speed cameras, much less photo radar on busier highways? People lose their freakin mind at the dare thought of having their speed enforced by a machine when it comes to the municipal cameras as it is....

 

[Evoex]

Sounds great, except we can't enforce the highway laws we currently have.

So, for those will will, without doubt, inevitably take a 20% higher speed limit to push it to 30 or 40%, do we bring back photo radar to reach that required level of enforcement to avoid abuse? No politician in their right mind would dare touch that with a million foot pole right now. Heck, have you seen the outcry from people about municipal speed cameras, much less photo radar on busier highways? People lose their freakin mind at the dare thought of having their speed enforced by a machine when it comes to the municipal cameras as it is....

People are dumb, they should be quietly cheering the fact that it's a not a moving violation and just learn self control in areas that it's put-up..not to mention there's a freakin big sign saying 'COMING SOON' followed shortly by 'CAMERA AHEAD'.

Boggle

 

[GreyGhost]

People lose their freakin mind at the dare thought of having their speed enforced by a machine when it comes to the municipal cameras as it is....

If implemented as in barrie as a pure fundraising ploy, people are right to be outraged. Speed limit changed five times a day, flashing lights were turned off and you had to read a paragraph of days and times to determine current speed limit at the times you should be paying attention to kids and cars. Straight up fundraising while simultaneously reducing safety. Well done politicians.

 

[PrivatePilot]

People are dumb, they should be quietly cheering the fact that it's a not a moving violation and just learn self control in areas that it's put-up..not to mention there's a freakin big sign saying 'COMING SOON' followed shortly by 'CAMERA AHEAD'.

Problem is that there seems to be a level of entitlement amongst a lot of drivers nowadays. They don't feel the rules apply to them.

An entire speed camera went completely missing in my neck of the woods this morning after only being installed a few days ago within sight of a school, in an area known for speeding. Discussion in a local community group had a steady stream of hot and heavy comments that ranged from "I hope it's in the lake" to "surprised it lasted that long".

A camera in a school zone. With no randomly-changing speed limit shenanigans or anything like that. With all the usual "speed camera in use" signage, etc etc etc. Yet people are insanely butthurt about (gasp) having to control themselves a little to avoid a ticket.

 

[Renboy]

110km/h? There are normally speed studies done. I havent seen one for a while on 400 series highways (but I havent looked).

I thought it was 120km/h, I don't drive through there often. Mea culpa.
Regarding the speed camera in the school zone, there used to be one right around the corner from my house...and it was stupid. Thankfully it was vandalized a few times and removed. The reason it was stupid was that during the times where you would want enforcement, you didn't need it. It's so busy during pickup and drop off that you can barely go 10km/h through there. And then when you don't need it, the speed limit through there is 30km/h, which is stupidly slow.
If permanent speed cameras were installed under bridges at appropriate speeds, very few would care. How many even on a bike forum would care about a speed camera setup at 135km/h on the 401?

 

[Wingboy]

120????

He didn't say "legal" speed limit.

 

[Renboy]

Are you guys seriously more concerned about a clerical error than the idea that it seems to be overshadowing? Also ignoring the fact that I've already acknowledged it. Geez.

Post above edited.

Great, so the limit is almost where it was 60 years ago (70mph/112km/h) when cars had: crappy headlights, terrible suspensions, 4 wheel drum brakes, crap tires, no ABS, no TCS, no power steering, no drunk driving laws, no seat belts, no airbags, no crumple zones and were all around just $#!+ cars. I don't care what any old timer thinks, the biggest piece of crap new Kia handles better than probably anything out of the 60's outside of maybe a Shelby Cobra.

 

[Evoex]

Are you guys seriously more concerned about a clerical error than the idea that it seems to be overshadowing? Or the fact that I've already acknowledged it. Geez.

Yes

 

[Renboy]

Yes

Hole of @$$.

 

[Mad Mike]

I'm curious now, does anyone here drive the QEW and other 400 series highways often? If so, do you notice a speed difference given the fact that the QEW speed limit is 110km/h? My guess is the difference in average speed on both highways is less than the 10km/h speed limit difference. For example on the 401 the average speed is for example 120km/h (100km/h limit), and on the QEW the average speed is 125km/h (120km/h limit). Anecdotal, I know, but I don't know where to find accurate information for this.

I drive a few, the open flow speed (not encumbered by congestion)varies by highway and by location.

404. Shepard to Wellington, 120. Wellington yo Green, 125, Green to Ravenshoe 130. North of Green lane I regularly see cars at 160 or more. Speed enforcement is there daily, >25 over will get you a ticket. Most enforcement is in Aurora between Bethesda rd bridge and Vivian Rd.

400. GTA 130kmh, north of Barrie 130.

407 /418 130.

427 and 403 seem to move slower, 115 seems typical.

401 and Qew rarely wide open east of hwy 6, 120 sometimes.

 

[GreyGhost]

I drive a few, the open flow speed (not encumbered by congestion)varies by highway and by location.

404. Shepard to Wellington, 120. Wellington yo Green, 125, Green to Ravenshoe 130. North of Green lane I regularly see cars at 160 or more. Speed enforcement is there daily, >25 over will get you a ticket. Most enforcement is in Aurora between Bethesda rd bridge and Vivian Rd.

400. GTA 130kmh, north of Barrie 130.

407 /418 130.

427 and 403 seem to move slower, 115 seems typical.

401 and Qew rarely wide open east of hwy 6, 120 sometimes.

Fwiw, paid attention recently on 400 from barrie to newmarket. Cruise set at 119 (GPS verified). Passed 35 vehicles and got passed by two.