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The most ridiculous thing is to give someone one term to turn a broken ship as large as US around. Anyone, to have any chance to make an impact needs two terms.

This Romney guy os something else. It's one thing to have a rich and stupid mayor or governor with zero experience and knowledge of international policies and matters, but it's a whole different ball game when you are US president with "the key and briefcase" ....
 
Its the corporations that run the government. So it doesn't really matter who people vote for!!!
 
rashidme said:
Its the corporations that run the government. So it doesn't really matter who people vote for!!!
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Well they are considered individuals so they have the same rights as everyone else. Lol, what a load of crap that government is.
 
rashidme said:
Its the corporations that run the government. So it doesn't really matter who people vote for!!!
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They may pull all the important strings, but only as far as it serves their own self-interest. They don't give a crap about abortion, or gay rights, or xenophobic policy, or Orwellian oversight. So those issues can mark a difference between the parties. Plus, you can expect the Democrats to at least put up a fight against the military-industrial complex, while the Republicans will just gladly hand them everything on a silver platter.

This is a fresh idea for me, so please cut me some slack in the retorts.

Another idea I'm tossing around is that the US is still acting as if the Cold War were still on. After WWII they went a little wild trying to build their economic (ergo military) might, and going around the world controlling everything they could in their own self-interest, to try and keep up with, and defeat, the USSR. It's been two decades now that the Cold War ended, but the whole political and industrial machine was entirely designed to build up a fighting force against Communism, and that stuff can't just be turned off like a tap. Russia is the same, still stuck in it's Cold War ways. But there is no real ideological war of conquest being fought any more. It seems to me any conflict now is, at it's root, of an economic nature.

So it's not entirely fair to blame the politicians, because they inherited the system as it is. Anything of this scale takes time to turn around. Hell, it took Detroit 4 decades to straighten out it's act after having the market to themselves for such a long time beforehand. So I believe positive change will come, eventually. It has to, really. This isn't a sustainable path as we can see for so many reasons.

But those who want to speed up the transition away from the military-industrial complex and belligerent foreign policy, need to vote Democrat.

Also, I just need to say the video in the OP is retarded, IMO.
 
You are partly right. There's a theory that the US has always needed a boogeyman to have fear instilled in the populace to allow government to effectively control. That boogeyman came in different guises such as communism, but there was a bit of a lax period between the terror groups of the late 80 s until Osama bin laden came along with the global terror network "al quaeda" which I don't really believe is a global Islamist terror group, I tend to think that's a catch all term for any terror group based out of an Islamist country. If things quiet down the next boogeyman will be Iran or the Chinese I guess. When people are scared they ask less questions and trust government more and buy more ****.
 
jc100 said:
You are partly right. There's a theory that the US has always needed a boogeyman to have fear instilled in the populace to allow government to effectively control. That boogeyman came in different guises such as communism, but there was a bit of a lax period between the terror groups of the late 80 s until Osama bin laden came along with the global terror network "al quaeda" which I don't really believe is a global Islamist terror group, I tend to think that's a catch all term for any terror group based out of an Islamist country. If things quiet down the next boogeyman will be Iran or the Chinese I guess. When people are scared they ask less questions and trust government more and buy more ****.
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are you open to the idea that perhaps the u.s. plays the role of the boogey man? before you count me and the theory out hear this.

1. osama bin laden and the cia go back years. he fought shoulder to shoulder with the cia against the russians. the afghan russian war was partially a behind the scenes usa vs russian war. many usa special forces were acting as the afghan mujahadeen. and ofcourse all the usa weapons. how else did the afghans beat the mighty russians.

2. the bin ladens and the bushes were tight as a tiger (austin powers).

3. with the aid of the al-qaeda and bin laden scare the usa goverment made great domestic gains in terms of establishing very strict control regulations to say the least over the citizens of the "land of the free". they also established new military bases and land forces in strategic and oil rich parts of the world

4. the whole capture of bin laden and throwing his body over the ship into the sea... just makes one say "you did what"??

5. and lets not forget, people of power will go to any lenghts to gain more power... so the idea of the rich and powerful wanting to gain control of the world at any cost... is that a crazy idealogy?
 
jc100 said:
When people are scared they ask less questions and trust government more and buy more ****.
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Great point!
There is a great documentary filmmaker named Adam Curtis.
His series- 'The Power of Nightmares' compares the rise of Neo Conservatives in the 'West', with the radical Islamist movement- and argues (using the history and explanation of ideologies) that the threat is largely a well orchestrated myth, used to unite and influence us.
He also created an even more interesting series called 'Century of the Self' that goes into detail on the techniques and the history of how governments and corporations seek to control the public.
And if you don't know who Edward Bernays is- you really should watch this. (if pressed for time- i recommend Part 1 and Part 4).
[video=youtube;prTarrgvkjo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prTarrgvkjo&feature=related[/video]
 
Funny you mentioned that. Normally the US goverment will never reveal the name of any team who would do such mission. But for some reason we were led to believe SEAL Team 6 brought it him. It was over all the mainstream meadia. Then later, the whole team dies in helicopter over Afghanistan. Whole damn thing is a scam. Both saddam Hussein and Osama are CIA agents. Both deaths (And SEAL Team 6) are phoney so that they could retire both agents.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/06/world/la-fg-afghanistan-chopper-20110807





cbcanada said:
4. the whole capture of bin laden and throwing his body over the ship into the sea... just makes one say "you did what"??
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BLUE_KAWI said:
Funny you mentioned that. Normally the US goverment will never reveal the name of any team who would do such mission. But for some reason we were led to believe SEAL Team 6 brought it him. It was over all the mainstream meadia. Then later, the whole team dies in helicopter over Afghanistan. Whole damn thing is a scam. Both saddam Hussein and Osama are CIA agents. Both deaths (And SEAL Team 6) are phoney so that they could retire both agents.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/06/world/la-fg-afghanistan-chopper-20110807
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yes i forgot to mention this part. :)
 
This is a Canadian site, so I have to compare what is going on in the US to what we have here in Canada. The way I see it , the conservatives ( republicans) were in charge when the whole "global economic meltdown " happend. The conservatives will always put corporate interests ahead of public interests . Notice how austerity measures never touch the rich ? Aside from being able to buy inferior Chinese made products at Wal-Mart, can any of you right wing cheer leaders name one way that the " global economy " benefits the average working man ?
fastar1 said:
They may pull all the important strings, but only as far as it serves their own self-interest. They don't give a crap about abortion, or gay rights, or xenophobic policy, or Orwellian oversight. So those issues can mark a difference between the parties. Plus, you can expect the Democrats to at least put up a fight against the military-industrial complex, while the Republicans will just gladly hand them everything on a silver platter.

This is a fresh idea for me, so please cut me some slack in the retorts.

Another idea I'm tossing around is that the US is still acting as if the Cold War were still on. After WWII they went a little wild trying to build their economic (ergo military) might, and going around the world controlling everything they could in their own self-interest, to try and keep up with, and defeat, the USSR. It's been two decades now that the Cold War ended, but the whole political and industrial machine was entirely designed to build up a fighting force against Communism, and that stuff can't just be turned off like a tap. Russia is the same, still stuck in it's Cold War ways. But there is no real ideological war of conquest being fought any more. It seems to me any conflict now is, at it's root, of an economic nature.

So it's not entirely fair to blame the politicians, because they inherited the system as it is. Anything of this scale takes time to turn around. Hell, it took Detroit 4 decades to straighten out it's act after having the market to themselves for such a long time beforehand. So I believe positive change will come, eventually. It has to, really. This isn't a sustainable path as we can see for so many reasons.

But those who want to speed up the transition away from the military-industrial complex and belligerent foreign policy, need to vote Democrat.

Also, I just need to say the video in the OP is retarded, IMO.
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Scrambled said:
Aside from being able to buy inferior Chinese made products at Wal-Mart, can any of you right wing cheer leaders name one way that the " global economy " benefits the average working man ?
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Just wait until that wealth starts trickling down :lmao:
 
jc100 said:
You are partly right. There's a theory that the US has always needed a boogeyman to have fear instilled in the populace to allow government to effectively control. That boogeyman came in different guises such as communism, but there was a bit of a lax period between the terror groups of the late 80 s until Osama bin laden came along with the global terror network "al quaeda" which I don't really believe is a global Islamist terror group, I tend to think that's a catch all term for any terror group based out of an Islamist country. If things quiet down the next boogeyman will be Iran or the Chinese I guess. When people are scared they ask less questions and trust government more and buy more ****.
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I'm saying the clash with Islamic culture is a consequence of the slow-to-die cold war mindset in the West, whereby we forcefully took control of the assets we needed for growth. That has irritated the Middle East (with good reason) and motivated the extremists. Nobody went and asked them to please play the role of our enemy.

But that economic growth that was essential during the cold war is pointless now. It can only be used to expand imperialism, and to make the rich richer (and by extension make the poor poorer since it two ways of saying the same thing). Otherwise, what does it matter to say "my GDP can beat up your GDP"?

The long term solution is to wind down our consumerism and focus on the things that used to be important again. People, relationships, self-determination (personal and national). Of course none of us are going to do that with the snap of our fingers, and no rational politician is going to propose it as a solution. So, it will take time to back down from the cold war mindset and our meddling in the affairs of other nations. Generations, perhaps. By which time, a whole other global conflict might very well erupt.
 
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The "US" vs. "THEM" mentality is well entrenched in U.S. social realities not just when it comes to external or global affairs - look at the almost exclusively two party political system - the strong exclusionary racial ideology that still propagates - i.e. gated communities, racialized ghettos, since the time of separate school systems for "coloured" people and before that, the east coast v. west coast mentality, north "yankees" vs. south "bible thumpers" since the civil war. There is always an enemy in the mind of most Americans not just abroad but also right at home. 911 perpetuated that ideology - "the enemy is among us" definitely reminiscent of the "communist infiltration" paranoia that used to exist during the height of the cold war.
 
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