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Hope you like the liberals. Until the right unites we might as well get used to them.
This is how we got 3 terms with Cretien. It's how the NPD ended up winning Alberta and now we saw it again yesterday.
Hope everyone who wasted a vote on the PPC is happy.
 
timtune said:
Hope you like the liberals. Until the right unites we might as well get used to them.
This is how we got 3 terms with Cretien. It's how the NPD ended up winning Alberta and now we saw it again yesterday.
Hope everyone who wasted a vote on the PPC is happy.
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I didn’t vote PPC, But the folks who did. I wouldn’t say they wasted their vote.

They finished ahead of the greens in popular vote
 
ToSlow said:
I didn’t vote PPC, But the folks who did. I wouldn’t say they wasted their vote.

They finished ahead of the greens in popular vote
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But if they had voted PC we might not be saddled with this douche for another who knows how long. When I watched last night a lot of ridings had more votes for PC & PPC combined but niether topped the libs
 
Brian P said:
How many Liberal seats were won by less than the PPC total vote count? (I have no idea.)
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I don't know but watching last night it looked like there were more than a few.
 
Brian P said:
How many Liberal seats were won by less than the PPC total vote count? (I have no idea.)
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I would be surprised if the numbers would have ousted more than one or two Liberals.

The NDP is a bigger problem, actually getting seats. If the NDP had told their supporters to back the PC's Justin would crap himself.

The NDP IMO can never be a big gun in Canada with current free trade regulations. Make it less profitable and companies move out.

I was calling on the head buyer for a large electrical contractor and as I entered his office he was closing a tense conversation with a distributor. He ended by saying "Name one thing you sell that I can't get from someone else."

Name one thing Canada sells that the world can't get from someone else. It's a short list so if a party gets heavy handed with taxes don't be surprised if the jobs go elsewhere.
 
Trivia:

Thunder Bay was originally the twin cities of Port Arthur and Fort William. When they amalgamated a committee came up with three names for the citizens to vote on.

Thunder Bay

Lakehead

The Lakehead

Thunder Bay won but the combined votes of Lakehead and The Lakehead were miles ahead of Thunder Bay. Obviously either Lakehead names would have made more people happy but the vote was split.
 
The NDP and Liberals have split the centre-left vote for ages, so don't complain too much if you prefer a conservative government. If reduced down to two choices, the Liberal/NDP/Green combined vote would comfortably beat the Conservative/PPC combined vote 52.2 to 39.1 (BQ is another monster that seems to be separate from the left/right reductive nature of modern politics).

Reform ate the old Progressive Conservative party alive. It's not a new phenomenon, though this is less a regional issue like Reform was and more a subset of social conservatism rooted in alienation. Being able to combine anti-vaccine wellness nuts with anti-immigration and pro-assault weapon types was a stroke of luck for the PPC. Take Covid out of the mix, and they return to irrelevancy PDQ.
 
It is a long game if you want a new party in. There is not going to be some sudden uprising of a new party that is going to take any meaningful position in Parliament. It will take a lot of time before they build up, gain credibility and get into a position where they can actual challenge the established 3.
 
wonderings said:
It is a long game if you want a new party in. There is not going to be some sudden uprising of a new party that is going to take any meaningful position in Parliament. It will take a lot of time before they build up, gain credibility and get into a position where they can actual challenge the established 3.
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And PPC is not that party.
 
Sault St Marie for one. Interesting that the Conservatives again won the popular vote, but are down 39 seats so far.

In some cases it would have made more sense for Conservatives to vote NDP to get rid of the Liberal.
 
wonderings said:
It is a long game if you want a new party in. There is not going to be some sudden uprising of a new party that is going to take any meaningful position in Parliament. It will take a lot of time before they build up, gain credibility and get into a position where they can actual challenge the established 3.
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Before that happens we will have to educate the population on reality. Mainly, there is no free lunch.

We have to dump the "I'm important, I'm special, I deserve, my rights" attitudes and lay out some tough prognoses.

If you think we have a LTC home problem now wait for the next generation to come through. Has any government made plans to limit the impact?

LTC is an issue but in reality many seniors today are in good financial shape. They bought homes when they were affordable on a middle class wage. There wasn't peer pressure to have the latest and greatest. They got permanent jobs in a protectionist economy and bought cottages. A high school education got you a job so no student loans to repay.

A person looking at retirement long term may have loans, houses are out of sight, jobs are contract, possibly to foreign workers. Mom and pop may have a million dollar potential inheritance but if they develop dementia a LTC could cost $100,000 a year, coming out of the house sale. On their demise any remnants get split between the kids.

Our kids going into their senior years will not have the same easy start.

Where does the LTC money come from? Does the government have a plan?
 
nobbie48 said:
Before that happens we will have to educate the population on reality. Mainly, there is no free lunch.

We have to dump the "I'm important, I'm special, I deserve, my rights" attitudes and lay out some tough prognoses.

If you think we have a LTC home problem now wait for the next generation to come through. Has any government made plans to limit the impact?

LTC is an issue but in reality many seniors today are in good financial shape. They bought homes when they were affordable on a middle class wage. There wasn't peer pressure to have the latest and greatest. They got permanent jobs in a protectionist economy and bought cottages. A high school education got you a job so no student loans to repay.

A person looking at retirement long term may have loans, houses are out of sight, jobs are contract, possibly to foreign workers. Mom and pop may have a million dollar potential inheritance but if they develop dementia a LTC could cost $100,000 a year, coming out of the house sale. On their demise any remnants get split between the kids.

Our kids going into their senior years will not have the same easy start.

Where does the LTC money come from? Does the government have a plan?
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I completely agree, spending is out of control and many seem to think what has happened to Greece or other places can't happen to us. We think nothing off almost a billion dollars spent on an election that was completely unnecessary and only after 2 years since the last. Someone should compile all the waste in our country, the numbers would be staggering.
 
wonderings said:
I completely agree, spending is out of control and many seem to think what has happened to Greece or other places can't happen to us. We think nothing off almost a billion dollars spent on an election that was completely unnecessary and only after 2 years since the last. Someone should compile all the waste in our country, the numbers would be staggering.
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The 650 million was just the mechanics of the election, adding up all the six month severances for all the MP's that didn't get re-elected and their entire staff is probably another huge number but it will never be presented in the light as all parties benefit from those slush opportunities. I'm also not sure how much we pour back to the constituents that ran. I think officially most of those expenses come from "party" money but I would be shocked if we don't top up the parties at an insane rate.
 
If Trudeau actually did the election reforms he promised we would be in a different scenario

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GreyGhost said:
The 650 million was just the mechanics of the election, adding up all the six month severances for all the MP's that didn't get re-elected and their entire staff is probably another huge number but it will never be presented in the light as all parties benefit from those slush opportunities. I'm also not sure how much we pour back to the constituents that ran. I think officially most of those expenses come from "party" money but I would be shocked if we don't top up the parties at an insane rate.
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I work in print and worked with a few candidates running in my area. It is always a fight for funds and the 2 that I dealt with personally did not get money from their party, they had to fundraise. One was complaining at how little their party helped the candidate and their campaign. But I have no trouble believing the $650 million we know about is not all of it. No one knows how to spend like the government.
 
wonderings said:
I work in print and worked with a few candidates running in my area. It is always a fight for funds and the 2 that I dealt with personally did not get money from their party, they had to fundraise. One was complaining at how little their party helped the candidate and their campaign. But I have no trouble believing the $650 million we know about is not all of it. No one knows how to spend like the government.
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One of the candidates near here was a city Councillor. She sent out a letter to all her constituents, telling them what a great job she was doing during her federal campaign. It was deemed to not be a conflict of interest. Then the LRT went off the rails, and we heard crickets from her about that.
 
Regarding vote splitting, I did a quick non-scientific analysis of 15 close (less than about 3000 votes separating Lib and (con +PPC). If the difference was greater than that I didn't feel vote splitting had any effect. My analysis shows that vote splitting didn't have any effect in the GTA, but did in some further outlying areas. For instance, Cambridge, St. Catharines, London west, Nippissing, Nickel belt and Kanata would be PC, assuming all PPC voted for PC. Like I said, not scientific, so use this info however you'd like.
 
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