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Very important information m1 exit road test! How to pass & not fail! (mto)
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A) Your post is too long..not one's going to read all that
B) Your part about "Brampton being harder than Orangeville", sounds very much like a post I made a few days ago. And sorry dude, but it was 100% true and I've probably been riding almost as long as you've been born. The test was night and day, hence guys on litre bikes passing.
C) Your solution, which I briefly scanned over, would work, but it doesn't make you a better rider, and the tests should be designed so you take the on the bike that you ride..not some cheap rental bike that is good for getting through a slalom that you would realistically never do unless you were weaving through cars.
D) Instructors have day jobs, they aren't in it for the money.
E) There is no luck but that which we make for ourselves. Good instruction can greatly increase our abilities to increase our 'luck' and avoid crashes.
F) Instructors have crashed, they will tell you about them so you can learn from their mistakes.
G) Tests aren't run by the government, it's a third-party.
H) I don't think anyone in the class I attended was looking for a guaranteed pass, they came to learn safe operation and good habits.
Do you have any data or dates for this British test theory of yours, and when the schools started 'popping up'?
I've seen some pretty poor riding out of fresh grads, and it saddens me that the test isn't harder but going through a good course teaches much more than how to scrape by a test so I still recommend them.
E) There is no luck but that which we make for ourselves. Good instruction can greatly increase our abilities to increase our 'luck' and avoid crashes.
F) Instructors have crashed, they will tell you about them so you can learn from their mistakes.
G) Tests aren't run by the government, it's a third-party.
H) I don't think anyone in the class I attended was looking for a guaranteed pass, they came to learn safe operation and good habits.
Do you have any data or dates for this British test theory of yours, and when the schools started 'popping up'?
I've seen some pretty poor riding out of fresh grads, and it saddens me that the test isn't harder but going through a good course teaches much more than how to scrape by a test so I still recommend them.
Canada became legally separate from Britain in 1931, but the constitution which determines power and jurisdiction is the Constitution Act, 1867. Basically, in 1867, the constitutions was written outlining licensing powers to the provincial government. Back then motorcycles didn't exist, so obviously there would be nothing in the constitution or the provincial law of Ontario about motorcycles. Since the power to distribute vehicle licenses remains with the province, the Ontario government back in the early 20th century would have come up with the law regarding motorcycle licenses, not the British government. So yeah, the motorcycle testing has nothing to with Britain at all.
GotLoveForAll
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I hope I pass on my 50cc Derbi GPR in a month. 0_0
there is no guarantee to pass when you take the riding course. when i took it a few years back with gearing up at least one person failed not counting the drop outs. if you couldn't fail there wouldn't be a test.
people fail the test all the time, it's just that the courses give you 2 days of intense training before testing you, and while many people who take the course could have passed the test with mto they still learn skills that improve their riding and safe handling. as for mto providing you with the right bike, this is laughable. the schools charge as much as they do because they have operating costs, instructors (they may have day jobs but they are not doing the teaching job for free), bikes, maintenance, site rental. i doubt many weekends go by with out at least one or two of the bikes being dropped.
people fail the test all the time, it's just that the courses give you 2 days of intense training before testing you, and while many people who take the course could have passed the test with mto they still learn skills that improve their riding and safe handling. as for mto providing you with the right bike, this is laughable. the schools charge as much as they do because they have operating costs, instructors (they may have day jobs but they are not doing the teaching job for free), bikes, maintenance, site rental. i doubt many weekends go by with out at least one or two of the bikes being dropped.
Are you hoping to get M2L limited license, right?
Don't you love it when people just repeat the same thing you already mentioned.lol
The british thing was if i recall a theory, i said "i think" it might be a reason, because at some point in the past the learners license did require a limited 125 or 250cc bike for learners, so the test at the MTO was based on those bikes which is the same as England, even if the British didn't provide us with that regulation, Canada still followed the Queen system long after independance.
If you look closely at the tittle this thread is ment for young people who are good riders who want to get and M2 without doing the Training course, for those who are self confident they can ride safely, for those who are stuck with a big bike and M1, and know they won't pass the mto test with their bike, for those students who can't stretch their dollar, and to anyone who wants to get it all done without BS, and the information privided WILL help those people pass, i don't have to say much, people who stumble upon this information i know will be glad the did, and it will definately help them pass.
and just a side note, these training centres are small businesses, if they didn't make profit they would be out of business, no one today does anything for free, there are maybe a handle full of people who might, I'd like to see the data for the crashes by people who went to these traning schools and who didn't, would be the same because only experience teaches a person not words.
anyways,
i like being part of the solution and not the problem! good luck to M1 riders!
I could have answered all your posts with good replies but i already said what i needed to in my original post its up to anyone to read the info and take in the info as a tool to help them co ordinate their situation, or ignore it, or nit pick it, i seriously don't care, i know what i know to be true and only wish to help people in a situation get the M2 efficiently...
The british thing was if i recall a theory, i said "i think" it might be a reason, because at some point in the past the learners license did require a limited 125 or 250cc bike for learners, so the test at the MTO was based on those bikes which is the same as England, even if the British didn't provide us with that regulation, Canada still followed the Queen system long after independance.
If you look closely at the tittle this thread is ment for young people who are good riders who want to get and M2 without doing the Training course, for those who are self confident they can ride safely, for those who are stuck with a big bike and M1, and know they won't pass the mto test with their bike, for those students who can't stretch their dollar, and to anyone who wants to get it all done without BS, and the information privided WILL help those people pass, i don't have to say much, people who stumble upon this information i know will be glad the did, and it will definately help them pass.
and just a side note, these training centres are small businesses, if they didn't make profit they would be out of business, no one today does anything for free, there are maybe a handle full of people who might, I'd like to see the data for the crashes by people who went to these traning schools and who didn't, would be the same because only experience teaches a person not words.
anyways,
i like being part of the solution and not the problem! good luck to M1 riders!
I could have answered all your posts with good replies but i already said what i needed to in my original post its up to anyone to read the info and take in the info as a tool to help them co ordinate their situation, or ignore it, or nit pick it, i seriously don't care, i know what i know to be true and only wish to help people in a situation get the M2 efficiently...
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One of the main points that the OP seems to highlight is how much money they can save if they did the test at a MTO test center as opposed to a certified course. What he/she forgets to mention is the insurance savings over the first few years will more than make up what the difference is between the cost of the MTO test and a training center. I easily saved over 25% in my first year alone.
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silverbullet132
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What do you mean? Every insurance company I called after I did the course at Humber told me that the certificate did nothing to lower rates.
It's quite obvious that a 125cc dirt bike will maneuver better than a sport bike. Coming from a mountain biking background, I excelled through the course with the dirt bike so well in practice, the instructor was moving the cones closer together, just to challenge me to the point I'm trying to bounce the rear wheel over while standing to stay within the cones, like it was a trials course, but the bike was too heavy LOL! I couldn't imagine trying to do the course with a Hyabusa - that would certainly increase the difficulty.
Really? You must have called some very weird companies, as every other company has specifically asked about that certificate when I was calling around, and the rates were different.
silverbullet132
Well-known member
Called The Personal, State Farm, TD, Primmum, Jevco. All said the same thing.
Not sure about your situation. But I clearly saved approx 20-25% off my rates in the first year alone. I don't think they asked for a copy of the certificate, but they did ask where and when I took the course.
In fact before I even got the policy setup they asked me if I was taking a course and then went on to explain they prefer that I take a course. I'm with TD-Meloch Monex.... Are you sure that they understand it's the M1 exit to M2 and not M2 exit to M. For the M2 exit I don't think there is a discount savings if you take a course.
Another thing I forgot to mention is that the course is tax deductable as continuing education.
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massr1
Active member
Passed with a 600
Just passed the test in Barrie this morning. I ride a '11 ZX-6R. This was my second time taking the test, first being in Brampton where I failed miserably. Serpentine is by far the most difficult part of the test, but not impossible on a sportbike. Some tips:
- Raise your idle to about 2k
- Use your clutch and throttle if you really need it
- Keep your body centered and hug the tank
- DON'T GO TO SLOW. The bike will want to fall and you'll just keep putting your feet down. Go about 10 km/h
-Stay as close to the cones as you can to avoid going to wide
- PRACTICE. Go to the test centre after hours and practice till you can do it with your eyes closed
Just passed the test in Barrie this morning. I ride a '11 ZX-6R. This was my second time taking the test, first being in Brampton where I failed miserably. Serpentine is by far the most difficult part of the test, but not impossible on a sportbike. Some tips:
- Raise your idle to about 2k
- Use your clutch and throttle if you really need it
- Keep your body centered and hug the tank
- DON'T GO TO SLOW. The bike will want to fall and you'll just keep putting your feet down. Go about 10 km/h
-Stay as close to the cones as you can to avoid going to wide
- PRACTICE. Go to the test centre after hours and practice till you can do it with your eyes closed
rdwarior
Well-known member
Re: Passed with a 600
I just passed my M1 exit as well this morning in St.Catharines. I agree that the Serpentine is the "toughest" part of the testing. I put my foot down once (over a sunken sewer grate that was in my line on the outside of a pylon) still passed it easily, in fact that was the only unsatisfactory mark. I ride a GS500F, though not a true sportbike. What worked for me was just using the clutch, and fully letting out at the turns to help pull the bike through, then back to friction-point, and repeat. After completing the upgrade paper work I took the Hwy home, which involved the Garden City Skyway...fun!
I just passed my M1 exit as well this morning in St.Catharines. I agree that the Serpentine is the "toughest" part of the testing. I put my foot down once (over a sunken sewer grate that was in my line on the outside of a pylon) still passed it easily, in fact that was the only unsatisfactory mark. I ride a GS500F, though not a true sportbike. What worked for me was just using the clutch, and fully letting out at the turns to help pull the bike through, then back to friction-point, and repeat. After completing the upgrade paper work I took the Hwy home, which involved the Garden City Skyway...fun!
Re: Passed with a 600
LOL if you think i even care about this virtual forum one bit to the point letting it affect me in my daily life you are mistaken, but thanks, i do have a thick skin, my battle scars prove that, and my accidents throughout the year every year. I was just trying to save people money, and not have to fail then see their mistake, rather get it first time like i did everything since G1, and doing so that by sharing information and taking the time to check the details...the devil is in the details.
Glad you passed, it sucks you had to spend $40 twice because you failed the first time, but atleast you got the idea, what points you mentioned are all true and very important, i always tell those points to all the guys i helped get their licenses and they all passed first time following these points.
it's not so much the ride being a sport bike or not, its the turning radius of the bike, a gs500F has a very good radius, should pass on that reasonably easily with practice. the clutch control is another good advice!...btw congrats guys!
LOL if you think i even care about this virtual forum one bit to the point letting it affect me in my daily life you are mistaken, but thanks, i do have a thick skin, my battle scars prove that, and my accidents throughout the year every year. I was just trying to save people money, and not have to fail then see their mistake, rather get it first time like i did everything since G1, and doing so that by sharing information and taking the time to check the details...the devil is in the details.
Glad you passed, it sucks you had to spend $40 twice because you failed the first time, but atleast you got the idea, what points you mentioned are all true and very important, i always tell those points to all the guys i helped get their licenses and they all passed first time following these points.
it's not so much the ride being a sport bike or not, its the turning radius of the bike, a gs500F has a very good radius, should pass on that reasonably easily with practice. the clutch control is another good advice!...btw congrats guys!
Re: Passed with a 600
Yep, you proved that by taking down your post because some people were hating on it.... you're right, I'm wrong....
Yep, you proved that by taking down your post because some people were hating on it.... you're right, I'm wrong....
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