Thanks for sharing! I think I'm blind with impatience as well...but I kinda don't want to fight it, just want to get on the road soon.. I'm also dealing with Paul, he seems like a really nice guy so far!
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URGENT: need a mechanic to inspect a bike this Saturday at Cycle World Superstore!
- Thread starter Corsara
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Thanks for sharing! I think I'm blind with impatience as well...but I kinda don't want to fight it, just want to get on the road soon.. I'm also dealing with Paul, he seems like a really nice guy so far!
daveyflakes
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Some more info you may be interested in...
I just called CWS about the minor oil (or some fluid) leak I noticed under my bike. I can confirm that the 30-day "in good condition" is definitely not a warranty. What's good for 30 days is whatever requirements are need to pass the safety.
I just called CWS about the minor oil (or some fluid) leak I noticed under my bike. I can confirm that the 30-day "in good condition" is definitely not a warranty. What's good for 30 days is whatever requirements are need to pass the safety.
daveyflakes
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Thanks Corsara. I hope it's not going to be a big problem. My engine oil level looks good still, so maybe it's just the heat that last few days? Here's hoping anyway... I think I'll wait a few days and see if more puddles accumulate...
outkastland
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I think they will do something about your bike. An oil leak is not sound working condition to me. In terms of the aftermarket parts etc, that I can't comment on. I had a carbon fiber yoshimura exhaust on my bike before and after I got it. The seat cowl was also still on my bike. They did add mirrors that were missing on it and they did put a set of new tires on it. So I guess I got really lucky compared to everyone else.
Corsara:
I got the naked SV650 below from them. Was priced at $5500 and had just came in from the states (they buy the majority of their bikes south of the boarder cus they save a ton, my bike in the USA would have only cost $3000-$3500 max, knowing this type of info helps with negotiating them down). The price they were charging by the way is market for the GTA, its on par with listings I found on Craigslist and Kijiji. The cheapest naked SV I was seeing for 3 months was priced at $4500 and was not located in the GTA. I dealt with Paul and talked him down $700. It took some work and me getting ready to walk away but they will budge if you make em.
At the end of the day if I factor in the price of my pipe ($600 plus installation, I was also planning on getting this pipe), the price of the cowel ($115, was also planning on getting this), the price of the new tires ($300 plus installation) and the price to safety/certify the bike, I got a really good deal. It put it far below the cheapest I could find via direct purchase and put it in the realm of what I would have paid in the USA. This bike is also pretty rare in comparison to the sport versions. They could have told me to eff off when negotiating them down but they didn't. Nothing beats a quick flip for them.
In terms of GP bikes, I have heard very good things. I have also heard that they charge top dollar and are tough to negotiate much lower. I'm sure you will be fine either way. If you are that worried about the bike after you get it, have Rosey Toes service it. I doubt you'll need to do that though.
daveyflakes
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I can understand with your aftermarket exhaust, because they would have needed to replace it with another exhaust; which may not have been worth the effort for them. I forgot to mention that my bike did have aftermarket Cobra pipes on them before and after I picked it up as well.
I guess I was referring more to aftermarket accessories which they would not need to replace with anything. A perfect example would be saddlebags. They've got a whole wall of what look to be used saddlebags. And given the fact that the vast majority of their cruisers did not have saddlebags, I think it would not be unreasonable to assume the saddlebags were taken off of the bikes to be sold separately.
Just a theory...
This is what I'm talking about! :happy3: Like I said before, Gp Bikes is the place to deal with if they have something your interested in. Saw my bike on Thursday, emailed him my offer later that afternoon. Agreed, went in on Friday morning and paid for it. Saturday morning around 10am plated, washed, waxed, oil, gas, waiting for you (so your not waiting on them) Other people were like I want that bike, I told them NO, it's mine. GO GP !:lol:
+ accessory discounts - Lets make this 3 a 2, this 8 a 0 and this 9 a 0. Now your Exo 1000 helmet is $200 tax in. and so on with other things I wanted :laughing8:
*O yea, Jeremey and Bob + 10
Was a bit tired last night so didn't elaborate, here is why I recommend just buying private.
I actually bought my first two bikes from Cycle Word (my second bike was actually a FZ6 as well! I frequented the FZ6 forum), as they are relatively close by, and I was initially afraid of mechanical issues, being new at the time.
Jim was relatively easy to deal with, and Mark in service was pleasant to chat with. However, cost of bikes there are higher than buying private. Also, they are plenty bad at prepping bikes in time. I stored my FZ6 there one winter, as the cost of $300 seemed reasonable, but when I brought in new tires for them to install at the beginning of that season, they dared charge me $110 to install the tires! Prices on their accessories are also high, though sometimes I crack and go there for convenience. If time permitting I would rather spend the extra time driving/riding out to GP Bikes.
Also, you need to realize you may have more trouble selling the US bike when the time comes. CWS operates their business by importing US bikes (cheap) and selling them at a premium price that's equal or higher than resold Canadian bikes, because they're a dealer.
My subsequent bikes were purchased private. There are SO MANY CHOICES out there. As long as you are careful and do your research, you can save a lot of money and trouble buying from people in the local community.
One more thing, the FZ6 you got there seems like it's had a really bad custom FE, you should be wary what other shortcuts the previous owner's done on it. The FZ6 was one of the better bikes that I've ridden, to be fair, but parts are hella hard to find sometimes; SV650s are much more common so you should consider those as well.
I actually bought my first two bikes from Cycle Word (my second bike was actually a FZ6 as well! I frequented the FZ6 forum), as they are relatively close by, and I was initially afraid of mechanical issues, being new at the time.
Jim was relatively easy to deal with, and Mark in service was pleasant to chat with. However, cost of bikes there are higher than buying private. Also, they are plenty bad at prepping bikes in time. I stored my FZ6 there one winter, as the cost of $300 seemed reasonable, but when I brought in new tires for them to install at the beginning of that season, they dared charge me $110 to install the tires! Prices on their accessories are also high, though sometimes I crack and go there for convenience. If time permitting I would rather spend the extra time driving/riding out to GP Bikes.
Also, you need to realize you may have more trouble selling the US bike when the time comes. CWS operates their business by importing US bikes (cheap) and selling them at a premium price that's equal or higher than resold Canadian bikes, because they're a dealer.
My subsequent bikes were purchased private. There are SO MANY CHOICES out there. As long as you are careful and do your research, you can save a lot of money and trouble buying from people in the local community.
One more thing, the FZ6 you got there seems like it's had a really bad custom FE, you should be wary what other shortcuts the previous owner's done on it. The FZ6 was one of the better bikes that I've ridden, to be fair, but parts are hella hard to find sometimes; SV650s are much more common so you should consider those as well.
Nope, 2009 GSF 500, about 10,000 km last September 11th. They listed at $4399 + taxes + licensing = $5040 OTD
I offered $4000 OTD cash, done deal - Bike went for $3650 + tax + licensing - had the bike ready in 1 day after I paid for it.
+3 month / 3000km warranty and discounted accessories, mind you it was September 11th and "end of season" to some people, so they probably wanted it gone, I rode up til December.
*Insane kijiji market prices in September and still are now for those bikes.
I'm set for an FZ6, and GP bikes don't have any...
Pardon me, what is "FE"? (i'm a beginner, sorry)
Pardon me, what is "FE"? (i'm a beginner, sorry)
A little google and I got it: Fender Eliminator. Sorry, should have searched before posting.
outkastland
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You do have a major point about price. In truth, I got the bike from them because I was set on the naked SV and they are hella hard to find. I also did not know about GP bikes so I didn't call them. Essentially I called CWS, asked if they had any naked SV's, talked to the owner who had just got back with one, he tells me he'll have it priced the next day, I go down the next day and haggle. The bike was a VERY quick flip for them so it put me in a super good bargaining position (a friend told me I wouldn't get more than $200 taken off the price). I was ready to walk (this is really why they bent over and gave me what I wanted I'm sure). The price of the bike was originally $5500, I got it for $4700. The aftermarket exhaust, the cowl, the tires and the safety/certify saved me just a little over $1000 if not more. So really I paid $3700 for the bike. The best deal I found was $4500 for a naked and the bike was stock on everything. Realistically I would have been able to talk the person down to $4000 but then would still need to get the $1000 in extras and still have to pay tax. I have kept checking the ads since and still not seen another naked come down below $4500. $5500 seems to be the steady price ppl post asking for.
daveyflakes
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Yes, CWS certainly seem to have a lot more bike selection. Although, as someone already point out, a lot of their bikes are from the states...
outkastland
Well-known member
Yeah they are American. It's a good that Suzuki made the dash display configurable. I discovered the way to change the bike from miles to kilometers on the highway a couple weekends ago lol. Miles per hour was tripping me out to much.
It's a shame we have such a markup here for bikes.
It's a shame we have such a markup here for bikes.
If the bikes are american, do they have Used Vehicle Information Package? How would I know if the bike wasn't written-off by some insurance company for some reason? Is it even legal for them to sell me such a bike?
suzuki seems to do better, in usa msrp for gix 600 is 11599, now u can buy the same bike here for 9995. not sure how much it's in usa now with discount though.
This late in the season I would say check out Kijiji. Alot of riders have lost their license with 172's or can't get insurance for their bikes. You are sure to get a good deal!
...to answer your question, I don't think you need a mechanic to inspect the bike if you buy from Cycle World. They do a pretty thorough inspection job, but it wouldn't hurt to bring a friend who knows bikes.
...to answer your question, I don't think you need a mechanic to inspect the bike if you buy from Cycle World. They do a pretty thorough inspection job, but it wouldn't hurt to bring a friend who knows bikes.
outkastland
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It's completely legal, tons of companies do it and its even done with cars. Works for me, got me a hard to find bike. Any written off bike can be sold, it just can't hit the road unless it passes a proper safety certification. They would not risk selling someone a biker that was written off. You have to be really careful with what you believe from the internet. I saw the posting on a thread posted in this thread, scuff marks do not get bikes written off in the USA. Everything gets so sensationalized on the web. You're going to be fine with CWS.
Hey everyone! Bought a bike today! The ones in Cycle World didn't work out....got one from private seller. If you're curious, here's what I posted in my other thread in the FZ6 forum (http://www.fz6-forum.com/forum/main...ike-just-made-deposit-good-pics-included.html)
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And here comes the weekend update
Let me start by saying THANK YOU to all of you! I didn't buy the bike! Let's just say that the pictures I've posted actually show the bike in much better condition that it actually is. When I went to see it, it was a total wreck! Of course, they tried to "prep" it by painting the frame with black paint...lol... too bad they "forgot" to fix the 30 degree crooked fairing and gauge panel---I put the bike on the center stand and everything is literally to to the side, but not by little---by so much that it's not just of matter of bothering the rider, I'm sure it would create such a nasty wind drag that it will probably be unsafe! Also, the drop on the right side made quite a lot of damage---the front fork on the right side where the shock shoes are---this took a beating...oh man oh man! 6 thousand dollars!!!
Looked at another FZ6...cheaper (5k canadian)...2004, with almost 30 thousand MILES on it, not KM. It had frame sliders which were worn (both of them), indicating the bike has been to the sides many times probably... again, a bit blinded by desire to get a bike already, I actually considered that one...for just a second. Whatever signs of enthusiasm I had vanished the moment when they said "we can't start it for you, it doesn't have a battery, it's way too much hassle to put a battery right now"....LOL! CYCLE WORLD SUPERSTORE, TORONTO! LOL, ARE YOU GUYS FOR REAL?!?!?!?!
My news doesn't end here, and I'll probably become a target of some laughs now (because of the price), but on the way back I phoned the guy from Kijiji who was on the way...stopped by, looked at the bike---2005 FZ6, 18k KM (11k Miles). NOT A SINGLE SCRATCH (except a tiny little wear just where the gear shifting is where the shoes touch). MINT CONDITION! A bit above 5k canadian. Expensive, but I just LOVE THE BIKE! The guy rode it to my house (some 70km through traffic and also speedy ways). I've got a bike, guys! It's right in my garage! Will post photos ASAP!
Just want to tell you that I've put a compilation of "buying used bike checklist" of things to do and check when buying a bike. I've compiled that list from a few different website lists, and went through mostly everything. The bike has a new rear tire, a bit worn but still good front. Break pads are good, shocks good, no rust anywhere, no oil dripping, shocks don't leak, starts great from cold, wheels seem aligned, etc. etc. The only single flaw I found during my amateur inspection was what is diagnosed with loose steering bearings, but I figured---what the heck, that's the only thing I found and most probably it's just a matter of tightening. Other than that, the steering has no thump, nothing... lol, look at me, after reading some I try to sound like a pro and using all these words totally new to my vocab!
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CHEERS!
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And here comes the weekend update
Let me start by saying THANK YOU to all of you! I didn't buy the bike! Let's just say that the pictures I've posted actually show the bike in much better condition that it actually is. When I went to see it, it was a total wreck! Of course, they tried to "prep" it by painting the frame with black paint...lol... too bad they "forgot" to fix the 30 degree crooked fairing and gauge panel---I put the bike on the center stand and everything is literally to to the side, but not by little---by so much that it's not just of matter of bothering the rider, I'm sure it would create such a nasty wind drag that it will probably be unsafe! Also, the drop on the right side made quite a lot of damage---the front fork on the right side where the shock shoes are---this took a beating...oh man oh man! 6 thousand dollars!!!
Looked at another FZ6...cheaper (5k canadian)...2004, with almost 30 thousand MILES on it, not KM. It had frame sliders which were worn (both of them), indicating the bike has been to the sides many times probably... again, a bit blinded by desire to get a bike already, I actually considered that one...for just a second. Whatever signs of enthusiasm I had vanished the moment when they said "we can't start it for you, it doesn't have a battery, it's way too much hassle to put a battery right now"....LOL! CYCLE WORLD SUPERSTORE, TORONTO! LOL, ARE YOU GUYS FOR REAL?!?!?!?!
My news doesn't end here, and I'll probably become a target of some laughs now (because of the price), but on the way back I phoned the guy from Kijiji who was on the way...stopped by, looked at the bike---2005 FZ6, 18k KM (11k Miles). NOT A SINGLE SCRATCH (except a tiny little wear just where the gear shifting is where the shoes touch). MINT CONDITION! A bit above 5k canadian. Expensive, but I just LOVE THE BIKE! The guy rode it to my house (some 70km through traffic and also speedy ways). I've got a bike, guys! It's right in my garage! Will post photos ASAP!
Just want to tell you that I've put a compilation of "buying used bike checklist" of things to do and check when buying a bike. I've compiled that list from a few different website lists, and went through mostly everything. The bike has a new rear tire, a bit worn but still good front. Break pads are good, shocks good, no rust anywhere, no oil dripping, shocks don't leak, starts great from cold, wheels seem aligned, etc. etc. The only single flaw I found during my amateur inspection was what is diagnosed with loose steering bearings, but I figured---what the heck, that's the only thing I found and most probably it's just a matter of tightening. Other than that, the steering has no thump, nothing... lol, look at me, after reading some I try to sound like a pro and using all these words totally new to my vocab!
CHEERS!
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Glad to hear you didn't get rooked by CWS as others have and bought a much better bike. Seems CWS has become quite bold at the bait and switch game. Show a nice bike, deliver a POS.
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