Hmm. Those seem super impractical for anything but riding. Albeit that's what makes them the safest, but why does Forma make all of those other models that are catered to ADV riding without having the exoskeleton? The price difference (though USD), isn't enough to make it a factor in the decision. I guess looks might be a factor, but imo when you get boots that large they all kind of look the same anyways. I imagine most people make a tradeoff to not have the exo in favor of more comfort in more situations?
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Urban Gear vs Long Ride Gear
- Thread starter MaksTO
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Hmm. Those seem super impractical for anything but riding. Albeit that's what makes them the safest, but why does Forma make all of those other models that are catered to ADV riding without having the exoskeleton? The price difference (though USD), isn't enough to make it a factor in the decision. I guess looks might be a factor, but imo when you get boots that large they all kind of look the same anyways. I imagine most people make a tradeoff to not have the exo in favor of more comfort in more situations?
They make them because people buy them. Even good companies like Dainese make competely useless riding shoes. Marketing runs almost every company and engineering just gets dragged along.
In that case, I would save a few hundred and just use whatever leather boots you want. I don't see how the adventures provide any more protection (and still look slightly ridiculous with the ratchet clasps).
So that's my question I guess, you're saying the adventure boots will likely protect about as much as a pair of redwings or something similar? Seems pointless for them to make those boots in the first case then if they don't do anything at all. Guess that's marketing though.
Just think about the impacts that could happen and work it through yourself.
1) Your toes gets pushed up or down. No real help.
2) You toes get pushed sideways. Maybe a little help if you have the calf balls tight, but you probably don't so no real help again.
3) Something lands on your ankle. No real help.
4) You're sliding. Leather is great. Redwing=adventure.
5) You get hit in the leg with an object while riding. Adventure should help you here as it looks like it has a thick and rigid tongue and protects more of your leg than a normal fashion boot.
6) Your heel gets driven up towards your knee. This one is tough for any boot. I can be confident that the Redwing or adventure gives no real help. The Terra Evo may help, but only if is it quite tight on your leg which is probably isn't as you value some airflow and comfort.
Some people are worried about steel caps causing amputation, so you are probably best with a leather laceup boot without steel toe caps if you don't want the external ankle protection. It would be nice if more boots were available with the ankle brace under the leather so they looked more normal.
Makes sense. Since I already have alpine high tops (just have the abrasion pucks on the ankles), I might as well get the best full boots as my main riding pair. That way I have a walkable option, and a more safe option for longer/faster rides.
Next ill be looking for gauntlet gloves!
Hopefully Royal will have some good gear on sale at the tent sale (whenever that is), so I can save a bit of cash.
Speaking of which, when does that sale happen usually?
Mad Mike
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I wouldn't use Docs or Redwings, nothing more fun than a lace in a drive sprocket. I've mentioned this before, I learned about the comfort and utility of Wellingtons when riding in Texas a few years back. Great quality boots are available for between $100 and $200. They are tough, really comfortable and offer great traction. The leather is thick and can be oiled to keep them waterproof. The foot/ankle and lower calf protection are great for rough riding. You don't need to change your footwear when you get off your bike.
I just can't see slip ons staying on in a crash. Forces are high (how many pictures have you seen of running shoes on the road at a bike crash) and the boots by definition can easily slide on and off. If I have boots with excessive laces, I either make an extra wrap around my ankle or tuck the extra in the cuff. With the stock sprocket cover, I wouldn't have nearly enough lace exposed to get near the chain. As is it, my boots of choice have internal lacing and a velcro flap over them to capture everything and deflect water around.
Daytona Evo. Not inexpensive.
BigEvilDoer
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Well, on an average day, sit out on a road where motorcycles are a regular sight. Count how many cruiser riders have a t-shirt and leather vest on and compare to sport bike riders.. . I think you'll find more sport bike riders wear at least a proper riding jacket and gloves, but a large margin.
Simply put, you wanna be a red grease marker on a road if you wipe out, it's your decision. I just wish insurance companies would give the option of reduced prices if you wear gear, much like the helmet free states do. If you crash wearing gear, the insurance covers you - if you say you wear gear, and you're not when you crash, the insurance pays nothing. Just a thought to maybe help bring down insurance costs a bit...
BigEvilDoer
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I'm tired of cruiser riders leaving skin and crap all over any roads that have any sort of turn more than 4 degrees in them. It's a 2 way street in this kind of conversation.
Insurance would be happiest if you werent wearing a helmet when you crashed. That is probably the cheapest outcome for them. A bit of road rash isnt going to substantially change their costs either way if you survive but it does substantially change the suffering of the rider.
Mad Mike
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It’s pretty hard to kick off a pair of Wellingtons,
I don’t know. I ride every day from mid March till winter. I do see lots of cruiser riders without jackets, I never see them shirtless and wearing flip flop racing shoes.
Not much to add but do consider visiting Revzilla in Philidelphia if you're ever out that way.
Gear heaven/overload.
Check out Kijiji too, found a full set of Dainese upper/lowers after keeping an eye out for them after a year+. Found my size/style at a Dainese store in Italy and snatched them up at a 1/3 of the price. Most of my other gear are either used, or scored during a Revzilla closeout.
Gear heaven/overload.
Check out Kijiji too, found a full set of Dainese upper/lowers after keeping an eye out for them after a year+. Found my size/style at a Dainese store in Italy and snatched them up at a 1/3 of the price. Most of my other gear are either used, or scored during a Revzilla closeout.
Commuting or Urban riding:
Olympia Moto X Textile Jacket for cool weather
Resurgence Pekev jeans for cool weather
Olympia Armoured Mesh Jacket for super hot days
Olympia Airglide pants for super hot days
Heated jacket, gloves and socks for very cold weather
Olympia Ranger pants for cold weather commuting
Long distance or spirited riding:
Motoport Kevlar Mesh suit for any kind of weather
Wear layers underneath or heated gear to keep warm if needed.
Always wear gauntlet gloves.
Always wear Daytona full length boots.
Always wear the full face helmet.
Always ride with music.
Olympia Moto X Textile Jacket for cool weather
Resurgence Pekev jeans for cool weather
Olympia Armoured Mesh Jacket for super hot days
Olympia Airglide pants for super hot days
Heated jacket, gloves and socks for very cold weather
Olympia Ranger pants for cold weather commuting
Long distance or spirited riding:
Motoport Kevlar Mesh suit for any kind of weather
Wear layers underneath or heated gear to keep warm if needed.
Always wear gauntlet gloves.
Always wear Daytona full length boots.
Always wear the full face helmet.
Always ride with music.
During most city riding and brief low speed jaunts (less than 20km errands, downtown 40-60kmph roads) I'll wear my icon sanctuary jacket (leather on impact zones, textile elsewhere, great for price at fort one), shorty textile gloves and a hard denim jean.
Despite the statistic of near home accidents being foremost, during short errands I'll often simply throw on a coat, whatever gloves with leather palm and knuckle padding are nearest me, footwear that covers my ankle and a full face helmet.
This is my absolute minimum, regardless of how intense the sun.
For trips out with buddies that I know I'll be taking risks with, I'll insist on a tight fitting leather boot, having yet to own a pair particular to riding, knee guards under a thick denim, a well fitted textile or leather jacket with a d30 (or like) back pad, elbow n shoulder pads, leather gauntlet gloves, and a neck gaiter.
How anyone can ride confidently on the highway without something to protect their neck from gravel+bugs is beyond me.
Offroad and stunting I care only for impact protection. Same tight high leather boots, knee guards, hip and tailbone pads (hard padded compression short) and back protector (jacket with full armor for stunts, hard roost guard for offroad.)
Long distance I can't speak from experience so my tongue is held.
Despite the statistic of near home accidents being foremost, during short errands I'll often simply throw on a coat, whatever gloves with leather palm and knuckle padding are nearest me, footwear that covers my ankle and a full face helmet.
This is my absolute minimum, regardless of how intense the sun.
For trips out with buddies that I know I'll be taking risks with, I'll insist on a tight fitting leather boot, having yet to own a pair particular to riding, knee guards under a thick denim, a well fitted textile or leather jacket with a d30 (or like) back pad, elbow n shoulder pads, leather gauntlet gloves, and a neck gaiter.
How anyone can ride confidently on the highway without something to protect their neck from gravel+bugs is beyond me.
Offroad and stunting I care only for impact protection. Same tight high leather boots, knee guards, hip and tailbone pads (hard padded compression short) and back protector (jacket with full armor for stunts, hard roost guard for offroad.)
Long distance I can't speak from experience so my tongue is held.
Bought an Olympia x moto 2 jacket days ago. I'm damn near a walking closet with so many pockets, but doing distance I couldn't imagine feeling more prepared than wearing it and a pair of textile pants.
Long distance I figure the duration dwindles what aggression one takes to riding, so protection of a lesser intensity is accepted.
Rossi can only ride so long before his demeanor turns to Ewan McGregor.
N ditto on the music
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