Turn down the volume on your sportbike exhaust - Brampton - Stop ruing a good thing

turbodish said:
Let's say I'm an O/O who owns and drives a truck for a living. When I'm done for the day, my truck is no longer in "commercial-use" mode, but is in fact my non-commercial-use personal daily-driver vehicle to and from my home. There are a lot of truck O/O's who fall into that category.


Women have constitutional rights, including mobility rights. You can't refuse them their Charter rights on the basis of gender as that would infringe on another Charter right, the right to be free of discrimination on prohibited grounds (gender).

Motorcycles have no such rights. Even riders and drivers have no "right" to be able to ride or drive at all, let alone anywhere they might wish.


The whole idea of excessive noise charges is enforce noise laws on the exceptions who make too much noise. When the "exceptions" become numerous enough to be almost be the norm, enforcement efforts can be overwhelmed and become ineffective in dealing with the problem. When that happens, look for much more restrictive laws and even bannings.
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Err all you are saying there is that in certain situations, trucks have an arguement too. Thats fine, but you seem to be saying that just because a law currently exists doesn't mean it doesn't have Charter Issues. That just isn't true.

While I agree that driving/riding isn't a right ( like the right to vote), it is a privilege that isn't that easily taken away either ( I don't remember those cases off the top of my head, i ain't a traffic lawyer)... anyway point is, the state needs a good reason. Putting aside the section 15, I was pointing out in the prostitute example that you have a rational connection issue. That is all.
 
redridernl said:
This is my point exactly.



There already are bylaws that ban motorycles.
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In Quebec tho? I am not sure how it would shake out there ( or here for that matter... but hey thats part of the fun)

If there is a bylaw like that in a common law jurisdiction it would be interesting to see how that would be decided.
 
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OpenGambit said:
As to mobility rights having nothing to do with mode of transport, I wouldn't agree with that. If you did have a road that said no motorcycles and you have a guy that rides a quiet bike that lives at the end of that road. You are going to have a Charter problem when you go to court and say that its about sound. Thats really not that far fetched...
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The US Constitution gives FAR more priority to individual personal rights versus the needs of greater societal public interest. Here in Canada, we swing more towards limiting personal rights in favour of greater societal needs.

That said, there are several communities and homeowner's associations in the US where motorcycles are banned from some or even all of their roads, even bikes ridden by residents who live on those roads, and riders living in those communities have tried and lost when they tried to challenge those bans in court.
 
redridernl said:
If I had the money to fight it in court I'd camp out under one of those NO MOTORCYCLES signs.
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Get some good facts =P you hanging out under a no motorcycle sign just to make the case is pretty awful. lol
 
turbodish said:
The US Constitution gives FAR more priority to individual personal rights versus the needs of greater societal public interest. Here in Canada, we swing more towards limiting personal rights in favour of greater societal needs.

That said, there are several communities and homeowner's associations in the US where motorcycles are banned from some or even all of their roads, even bikes ridden by residents who live on those roads, and riders living in those communities have tried and lost when they tried to challenge those bans in court.
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Homeowner's associations? Are those considered state entities? Because that sounds like a whole different can of worms and more contractual than constitutional.
 
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stop whining
 
OpenGambit said:
Homeowner's associations? Are those considered state entities? Because that sounds like a whole different can of worms and more contractual than constitutional.
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Cities have also banned motorcycles from certain streets. Atlanta comes to mind:
Limited Motorcycle Parking Policy
After receiving a number of complaints from Atlantic Station residents and guests about the noise and disruptions caused by motorcycles, a policy is now in place that prohibits motorcyclists from riding through and parking in the main retail district in Atlantic Station... However, we welcome motorcyclists to park throughout Atlantic Station outside of the main retail district. Much of this parking is well within walking distance of all Atlantic Station stores, restaurants and entertainment options. This policy applies to motorcycles only and does not apply to mopeds or scooters with engines smaller than 150 cc.
http://www.atlanticstation.com/site_parking.php
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turbodish said:
Cities have also banned motorcycles from certain streets. Atlanta comes to mind:
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But you can carry an assault rifle there! haha..

Anyway, I am not saying that these laws don't exist. I am pointing out that there are grounds to challenge them under Canadian law thats not frivioulous. Win or Lose, I don't know.
I am just predicting that a DB law is more likely. After all, by-laws are a pretty inefficent way of dealing with a noise problem that clearly affects a lot of people over a large area.
 
The easiest way for an area would be to put in a drive-clean type of deal. They could then double ding you for pollution control at the same time.
Since many of the shops would not be able to afford the equipment it would make for long line ups and people missing out on part of the riding season.

It's time for riders to be sensible and sensitive to the needs of others.
 
canadianshark74 said:
I live 500 meters from the intersection of Hwy 410 and Sandalwood Pkwy. We can hear cars and bikes that sound as loud as Formula One cars all the time, at all hours of the day. You are right, its only a matter of time until a law gets put in place that would restrict the db's.
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I have to ask, have you ever been to a Forumula 1 race? Have you sat in section 11, 12, 15 or 24 of Circuit Gilles Villeneuve? Cars that loud by 410 and Sandalwood Pkwy. would have resulted in multiple bylaws unanimously passed already.
 
iv got a full exhaust and it doesnt bother me wind noise bothers me so i wear earplugs on the highway.
 
black06r6 said:
iv got a full exhaust and it doesnt bother me wind noise bothers me so i wear earplugs on the highway.
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Wind doesn't bother they people sitting in their backyards enjoying a brew, your full exhaust does. It's not all about you.
 
Low rider said:
Let me start my reply with a fact and honesty as well.
It is a fact that most "Sport bike" exhausts do pass noise regulations for any track venue.
Therefore they will pass any roadside testing equipment the police decide to throw at them.
Secondly.
It is the non resstricted "Harley Davidson" motorcycles that are more offensive because they seem to have no restriction and tend to mount straight through pipes that are way louder than most sport bike riders.
I ride with my completely stock exhaust. There are quite a few of us that leave them alone.
In my lifetime, I have seen very few Harley's with stock exhaust.

Go tell your problem to President Obama.
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It's not the Harleys that I'm hearing, doing loops. in Brampton a 2:00am on weeknights.

Low rider said:
As I type this, a second thought just came to mind.
I am currently in Montreal. Just last night I saw an offensive sign
It had a motorcycle in a circle with a strike through it, and it read, No motorcycles afer a certain hour????????
I didn't think this was legal in Canada?????
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I'm guessing that you went into the residential areas off St. Catherine. The locals got tired of open-piped bikes going through their little enclaves, so bylaws were passed.
 
It's not the bike or the exhaust. It's the rider. Just stop riding like an idiot.
 
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