Fold?? She'll be first in line to make life more expensive for Ontarians. The provincial Liberals have proven it countless times already. Now that the witch has a like-minded moron leading the country, we're well and truly forked.
Trudeau's carbon pricing
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Fold?? She'll be first in line to make life more expensive for Ontarians. The provincial Liberals have proven it countless times already. Now that the witch has a like-minded moron leading the country, we're well and truly forked.
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Theroretically at best. The science behind that claim is ridiculously suspect. Since you brought up the oceans; 330ish gigatonnes per year emitted; anthropogenic contribution... under 30 gt. Furthermore, we're at a near historic low for atmospheric CO2. Were the oceans acid in the Jurassic period? Nope; but CO2 was double what it is now.
This graph and associated paper also shows no coupling of CO2 and temperature.. Do some research, see the other side of the discussion, and ask yourself what is more reliable; empirical data, or predictive computer modelling.
p.s. Air quality in N.A. is the best it's been in 150 years, despite the consistent rise in CO2 emissions. Do not confuse a naturally occurring trace gas with harmful compounds such as sulfur dioxide and nitric oxides. Ask Europe how the push for diesel, to reduce CO2, has worked out for their air quality.
Theroretically at best. The science behind that claim is ridiculously suspect. Since you brought up the oceans; 330ish gigatonnes per year emitted; anthropogenic contribution... under 30 gt. Furthermore, we're at a near historic low for atmospheric CO2. Were the oceans acid in the Jurassic period? Nope; but CO2 was double what it is now.
This graph and associated paper also shows no coupling of CO2 and temperature.. Do some research, see the other side of the discussion, and ask yourself what is more reliable; empirical data, or predictive computer modelling.
p.s. Air quality in N.A. is the best it's been in 150 years, despite the consistent rise in CO2 emissions. Do not confuse a naturally occurring trace gas with harmful compounds such as sulfur dioxide and nitric oxides. Ask Europe how the push for diesel, to reduce CO2, has worked out for their air quality.
Why not look at the incidence of asthma over the years. I think you'll find something very interesting.
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Not sure how any right minded person can take a position that humans have not contributed to pollution.
Nature did not make cars, trains, planes, chemicals we created, and all the crap we burn (into the air) and the crap we dump into the oceans.
We are in a sealed bubble...of course we are hurting ourselves.
Nature did not make cars, trains, planes, chemicals we created, and all the crap we burn (into the air) and the crap we dump into the oceans.
We are in a sealed bubble...of course we are hurting ourselves.
I'm no chemist by any means, but a gallon of gas weighs just shy of 7lbs. How does burning 7lbs of gas create 18lbs of CO2? I think your math may be off by a bit. The three largest sources of pollution in order are: meat farming, oil production, and clothing production. Given the sheer volume of farming done in Canada, and the oil production in the tar sands we're destined to have high levels of pollution output. Trying to save the world by lowering tail pipe emissions is a joke.
Does CO2 cause asthma now? That's a new one. We'll add it to the list;
Tornados
Hurricanes
Drought
Extreme heat waves
Extreme winter weather
Asthma
... Is there anything CO2 can't do?
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As I said before, there is a great distinction to made between harmful chemical compounds which cars and industry used to emit unabated, and CO2. We are increadibly clean in this regard when compared to even 1990, and the air quality record backs that up. How many air quality alerts this year? Compare that with 1998
NOx, Sulfur dioxide, those are two biggies which form particles leading to smog and associated issues. Those, if you're informed, are at industrial age all time lows in North America. China, no; Europe, no... Dirty coal power generation and Diesel prevalence respectively. But here, we've made great strides in real problem areas over the last 30 years; CO2 is not one of them.
When the founder of green piece comes out and says environmentalism has been high jacked, somethings amiss.
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Who needs Y-axes, right? They're all for show.Theroretically at best. The science behind that claim is ridiculously suspect. Since you brought up the oceans; 330ish gigatonnes per year emitted; anthropogenic contribution... under 30 gt. Furthermore, we're at a near historic low for atmospheric CO2. Were the oceans acid in the Jurassic period? Nope; but CO2 was double what it is now.
This graph and associated paper also shows no coupling of CO2 and temperature.. Do some research, see the other side of the discussion, and ask yourself what is more reliable; empirical data, or predictive computer modelling.
p.s. Air quality in N.A. is the best it's been in 150 years, despite the consistent rise in CO2 emissions. Do not confuse a naturally occurring trace gas with harmful compounds such as sulfur dioxide and nitric oxides. Ask Europe how the push for diesel, to reduce CO2, has worked out for their air quality.
People really need to distinct between air pollution and CO2 in atmosphere, land and oceans ... the one can be dealt with relatively quickly and is very localized as we have proven over the last 5 years or so. As you have pointed out, we don't know what is a smog day anymore in GTA.
The CO2 is a totally different beast though and is not local at all, quite the opposite .... most people don't realize how long it takes to get rid of it back to levels the planet can long term sustain.
I don't get, how can anyone debate though Canada's contribution to overall CO2 emissions, regardless which sides you are on. Or that hundreds of top level scientists are rigging some numbers .... I know Trump can say that, but anyone else?
What do you propose?
Not only you will be paying a lot more than 2$/l at some point, but you will also not be able to buy a new house without solar roof, you will not be able to buy new vehicle with any sort of ICE propulsion etc. ... yep that's all coming, probably faster than this forum can accept.
Feel free to source the paleoclimate data for yourself. The graph is simple relationship comparison. You want accurate numbers? Good luck, as any scientist not lying through his teeth would attest, the resolution gets sketchy after a few 100 thousand years. Do try to included ALL available proxies in your research, unlike the IPCC, which refuses to use anything other than ice cores.
And what can the planet sustain? Is this settled now? Last I checked, all we have on that front is a computer spitting out a result, based on subjective input parameters, programmed by a human being. Can you point me to a model made in the last 20 years which has come even remotely close to meting it's own predictions? Aren't we all supposed to be underwater by now?
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Fuel prices affect the price of *everything*. Bear that in mind.
