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Too much front brake

Rob MacLennan said:
There would generally (though obviously not always) be some wheel slide in conjunction with a stoppie. That would mean the wheel goes from a few Kmh to zero, with no transition, which should trigger the ABS. In checking around I've found that wheel lift is detected in rain and power modes of the ABS, but not in race or slick modes. That's why this could happen. As I mentioned earlier, he was likely in race mode.
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As far as I understand, you can pull a stoppie without ever locking any of the wheels (unlike in the OP video). So, under that assumption, ABS never gets in the action to identify what's a stoppie, let alone prevent it.
Switching to Rain mode indeed activates the ABS, but I think it also activates some gravitational sensors both front and back in order to prevent stoppies and wheelies.
 
awyala said:
Mal, can you sympathize?
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In fact, I did. If not for that biker that dumbass jaywalker would have been in bad shape. The guy that shot the video is kinda dumb too, he said "Omg, I got this on video, I got this on video".... Ohh myy...:disgust::
 
whetaus-tr said:
As far as I understand, you can pull a stoppie without ever locking any of the wheels (unlike in the OP video). So, under that assumption, ABS never gets in the action to identify what's a stoppie, let alone prevent it.
Switching to Rain mode indeed activates the ABS, but I think it also activates some gravitational sensors both front and back in order to prevent stoppies and wheelies.
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ABS is active in all modes. That's the point, as they are 'ABS modes.' As I said the wheel lift sensors, and such, are disabled in Race and Slick modes. This makes stoppies possible, as does simply disabling the ABS completely.
 
Nothing to do with too much brake its all body position if the rider had held his body back it wouldnt have looped. Simple as that. Racers brake harder than that every corner and dont loop over. Why? Because they keep their ***** back off the tank. This guy allowed his body weight to slide forward while braking. Poor technique put him on the ground.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
ABS is active in all modes. That's the point, as they are 'ABS modes.' As I said the wheel lift sensors, and such, are disabled in Race and Slick modes. This makes stoppies possible, as does simply disabling the ABS completely.
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Isnt abs an option for thise bikes in some countries?
 
kneedragger88 said:
Nothing to do with too much brake its all body position if the rider had held his body back it wouldnt have looped. Simple as that. Racers brake harder than that every corner and dont loop over. Why? Because they keep their ***** back off the tank. This guy allowed his body weight to slide forward while braking. Poor technique put him on the ground.
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I dont think he had time to adjust his position
 
murf said:
I dont think he had time to adjust his position
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I think what kneedragger was getting at is that he shouldn't have needed to adjust his position. He was in the wrong position to begin with. Still I hope that pedestrian got charged with attempted fraud and negligence causing bodily harm or whatever their equivalent is.
 
DSevigny said:
I think what kneedragger was getting at is that he shouldn't have needed to adjust his position. He was in the wrong position to begin with. Still I hope that pedestrian got charged with attempted fraud and negligence causing bodily harm or whatever their equivalent is.
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Unfortunately pedestrians don't have license plates, and so generally get away with running from this sort of thing.
 
DSevigny said:
I think what kneedragger was getting at is that he shouldn't have needed to adjust his position. He was in the wrong position to begin with. Still I hope that pedestrian got charged with attempted fraud and negligence causing bodily harm or whatever their equivalent is.
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I doubt most riders will be pushing all there weight rearward at all times anticipating needing to emergency brake. Do you?
 
murf said:
I doubt most riders will be pushing all there weight rearward at all times anticipating needing to emergency brake. Do you?
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I tend to ride with my centre of mass above the pegs, not with my nuts against the tank.
 
Apparently it's been an issue in Russia recently where pedestrians are intentionally running into traffic to try to force insurance payouts. By forcing the accident, it's fraud in my books. From what I understand the law is not the same as my books at all times, but I believe the intention of deceipt counts as fraud doesn't it?
 
DSevigny said:
Apparently it's been an issue in Russia recently where pedestrians are intentionally running into traffic to try to force insurance payouts. By forcing the accident, it's fraud in my books. From what I understand the law is not the same as my books at all times, but I believe the intention of deceipt counts as fraud doesn't it?
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"Attempt to defraud"
 
kneedragger88 said:
Nothing to do with too much brake its all body position if the rider had held his body back it wouldnt have looped. Simple as that. Racers brake harder than that every corner and dont loop over. Why? Because they keep their ***** back off the tank. This guy allowed his body weight to slide forward while braking. Poor technique put him on the ground.
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Wait a minute, so it's impossible to avoid looping with the rider's weight forward, or it's impossible to loop it with his weight back?

Or, he applied too much brake?
 
fastar1 said:
Wait a minute, so it's impossible to avoid looping with the rider's weight forward, or it's impossible to loop it with his weight back?

Or, he applied too much brake?
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Impossible to loop with weight back. Tire would lose traction and slide out long before it looped. He hit the brakes and let his *** slide forward. Very simple really no big secret here I am afraid. Like i said a racer brakes harder EVERY corner with tires on with far more grip than even the best street tire. If it was a brake issue racers would be looping everywhere. Bad technique simple as that.
 
He wasnt a racer evidently.
Its not like racers ever panic when something new/different happens..... Like a rider falling in front of them at which point they follow the other rider right of the track target fixating etc.
 
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just too many close calls on the roads these days, i honestly think it's time to invest in a camera

fault-determination rules are bullocks and so are police, you're on the ground writhing while the cager & witnesses concoct a fairy-tale
 
How much training do you need to pull a 350lb bike off of a guy who is struggling to get out from underneath it? I helped lift a bike off of a guy at Shannonville and he was very appreciative to all that assisted.

Mr.Azim said:
Poor BMW :(
If you aren't properly trained and don't know what you're doing or aren't even confident in helping..... don't touch me.

I would rather have a 350lb bike sit on me (it's not like the full weight was on him since it was pretty much standing up on its own) than have one nincompoop pull me out and injure me further or push the bike on top of me and break something else.
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I did not meantion moving him, anyone with a basic first aid course knows not to do that, but they should also know to take the bike off of him.

I'd rather have the casual, paced assistance they seem to give in Russia over the panicked frantic type we get here, where most people seem to think that the best thing to do if you fall down is to stand yourself up again as quickly as possible.
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