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Tipping etiquette

Well written, too long , I did read it all .

Any body know what tipping is like in Norway ??


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So the last few years I’ve been seeing an increasing amount of fast-food establishments adding a tip option when paying by debit. It’s gotten so popular it’s become rare to go to one without; oddly enough Mc D’s is one of the few holdouts.

What exactly am I tipping for? I’m not sitting at a table being waited on, nor am I offered a nice cold glass of water while I patiently wait for my order. What’s changed in the level of service that wasn’t there 10 or so years ago that warrants a tip?

When the “Add Tip” prompt appears I almost feel guilty declining knowing how little these guys make. Is my order going to be unfortunately delayed? Will I get white meat instead of dark? How do they divy up the accumulated tips anyway? Does management just pocket it?

So many questions.

And while we’re on the topic; what’s the tipping etiquette when ordering take-out at a proper dine-in restaurant? If you didn’t call ahead you would go to the bar, place your order and wait for it there. In this case is a tip appropriate? If you ordered a beer it would be.

I’m just curious what the general consensus here at GTAM is.

I admittedly buy a lot of overpriced coffee in the city, and even they're putting tip options on their machines. I guess I am ultimately tipping them to not spit in my coffee...
 
I don't tip for take out, buffets or food being served at the counter ie Subway, Tim Horton ( exception at diners).
I do tip for pizza deliver, waiters, bartender, the usual stuff. There is no tipping in Japan and the service is excellent!
 
I typically tip 15-20% if the service is good, but only at a sit down restaurant. I won't do it at Tim's / McD's / any other take out place.

For take-out I typically tip $2 but I don't even see the point as the work literally consisted of: answer phone, pass to cook, give food...no different than a fast food restaurant. But I feel like a cheap *** if I don't.

I won't tip the Oil Changers / Great Canadian Oil Change places, stores, retail shops, etc...what am I tipping for? Literally doing the bare minimum of your job? LoL

As @MaksTO Poland is great...they hate customers. You're being an inconvenience for them just by showing up! And God forbid you try on clothes / hats...FML it's like pulling teeth. If I want to be treated like a POS I go to the Polish Consulate on Lakeshore...or a Polish store here. Feels like I'm right back at home.

BUT...the food is good, the service is acceptable, and tipping is not expected back home.
 
I wont regularly tip at fast food joints. When I used to frequent fast food restaurants, if there was a staff member that was exceptionally good, I would give them 50 or 100 every year or so. Like evo's theory, hopefully it made a difference in their lives.
 
Any body know what tipping is like in Norway ??

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As @MaksTO Poland is great...they hate customers. You're being an inconvenience for them just by showing up! And God forbid you try on clothes / hats...FML it's like pulling teeth. If I want to be treated like a POS I go to the Polish Consulate on Lakeshore...or a Polish store here. Feels like I'm right back at home.
There definitely seems to be a hatred for customers there haha. Though I also hate being a customer so I guess that's why I'm ok with it 😅. I generally have a strong distaste for shopping so if I am going to a store physically, there's a 98% chance I already know what I want and I'll be in and out in about 5 minutes. I try to be as out of the way as possible in a store unless I genuinely have a question that cannot be answered within 2 minutes of googling.
 
I have a weird relationship with tipping, on a few fronts.

I don't make a ton of money, so even when I eat out, it's generally financially unsound for me and is because I either have a lot on my plate, or have no time that day or week. Maybe I was working late on the bike and didn't have time to grab groceries, or I had a long day at work and just want to lie down afterwards, let alone sit at the stove for an hour and cook.

FWIW I still tip 15-20% every time I sit down somewhere.

There's an argument/opinion floating around that if you can't tip, you shouldn't eat out, and I sort of strive to do that now. However, that active refusal to eat out is also not really good for the economy and these businesses - I'm sure I am not the only one that came to this conclusion. If we all stopped eating out, these servers would be out of a job entirely, period. Let along not getting tipped.


My other quip with tipping is the whole emotional labor aspect. As someone who is customer facing, I've come to realize that it's more often than not that workers in retail or restaurants are probably having a **** day for one reason or another, like most people, and don't want to be your friend. To have bad days possibly cost you your rent (not in my case, but in general), is frankly insane. I've worked with people long enough, way past the point of of diminishing returns. For a while I learned patience and tolerance, and though I still am excellent at all of those things as a professional, my general opinion of humanity has slipped to a (probably) very unhealthy level.

When I go to a restaurant and some server is doing the whole "sir and ma'am" thing and treating me like royalty, I actually feel quite gross. I came to eat, not to force someone to be nice to me. I'm just a ******* guy, and nothing more - please stop pretending otherwise.

I LOVED Poland for that. People can be in a bad mood and they don't generally hide it, and frankly I encourage that. As long as my food is warm and tastes alright, I couldn't care less. If not forcing someone to fake a smile at me can in any way improve their day, or at least not make it worse, then I am all for it.

TL;DR. I tip, but I strongly dislike the practice and what it makes of people on both ends of the business model.
During covid and for a while after I tended to tip a bit more generously until the restaurants got their sea legs back. Not as much with fast-food. Now it seems the restaurants are raising prices to cover the past losses.

A good server should be pleasant but not intrusive. I like being treated as an equal so don't get snobby if I use the wrong fork or worse still, don't grovel. On the equal bit, the Caribbean vacations don't appeal to me as the person serving me probably could never afford the meals I was eating.

Tipping is not a good idea. In a way it allows for bullying, "Be nice to me or you don't get a fat tip, even if I make your job hell."
 
Yup, I suspect this happens a lot when there party is large and it's clearly a business deal.

A friend with a friend in hotel management says the same. If they get stiffed they slip it onto someone else's tab. Check your bill.

Anecdotal story , my friend is a high roller and would often leave a $100 tip on a $200 bill . Ate at the same places consistently, after lunch one day , bill was $50 high , mentioned , corrected . Next wk bill was $80 high . We now check all bills , that server gal had been there 15 yrs and probably took us for several thousand over the decades .

As with any goods or services, always check the bill.

I worked behind the bar for fifteen years. Got stiffed plenty of times. Never padded anyone's bill or tab, not once.

Not all servers are crooks.
 
Takeout gets a 10-15% tip and dine-in gets a 20-100% tip depending on the level of service.
Servers deal with **** and penny-pinchers all day so if they’re good they deserve it.
The wife and I have a couple of regular places and being nice to the staff gets us perks. No waiting for tables, can get reservations on even the busiest nights and I can text the manager on the way on a Friday night and have a table waiting.
If you can afford to go out for a nice meal, you can afford to tip your server, especially if it’s good service.
 
Was at the Skydome (Sorry, it's NOT the Rogers Centre) a couple weeks back and went to get 2 beers for me and a buddy. Payment there is now card only which is fine. Problem was, a tip option automatically comes up after the total of what you ordered. There's several tip options including 'no tip'. No matter how many times I pressed that 'no tip' button, that payment terminal would not advance to the next stage. When I pressed the lowest tip percentage (15% I think) magically things progressed to the final payment.

Now, I don't mind tipping at all when appropriate but when someone is just handing me a couple of cans of beer which are about double the price I'd be paying at any other place then forget it. There's absolutely NO reason to tip in that circumstance! (2 tall boy Budweiser - just under $30.00 with tax & minimum tip option).
 
Takeout gets a 10-15% tip and dine-in gets a 20-100% tip depending on the level of service.
Servers deal with **** and penny-pinchers all day so if they’re good they deserve it.
The wife and I have a couple of regular places and being nice to the staff gets us perks. No waiting for tables, can get reservations on even the busiest nights and I can text the manager on the way on a Friday night and have a table waiting.
If you can afford to go out for a nice meal, you can afford to tip your server, especially if it’s good service.
I have a 2 local watering holes that I treat that way - its like stepping into at Cheers. On a busy night I don't need to txt the owner, any staff will make the next able when I drop in. My favorite beer always gets to the table before me.

But those are special relationships, I have to exclude them from a general discussion on tipping. I show my support by by bringing them lots business, they reciprocate with service.
 
I'll never tip at a fast food restaurant or coffee shop. I always pay cash at those places, so I'll likely never see a tipping option on a payment screen.
 
Was at the Skydome (Sorry, it's NOT the Rogers Centre) a couple weeks back and went to get 2 beers for me and a buddy. Payment there is now card only which is fine. Problem was, a tip option automatically comes up after the total of what you ordered. There's several tip options including 'no tip'. No matter how many times I pressed that 'no tip' button, that payment terminal would not advance to the next stage. When I pressed the lowest tip percentage (15% I think) magically things progressed to the final payment.

Now, I don't mind tipping at all when appropriate but when someone is just handing me a couple of cans of beer which are about double the price I'd be paying at any other place then forget it. There's absolutely NO reason to tip in that circumstance! (2 tall boy Budweiser - just under $30.00 with tax & minimum tip option).
A bit of a hijack but Niagara Falls had a city tax of sorts on food and accommodations. It was some sort of tourism improvement fee but the cash flow from the businesses was so undocumented that a lot of the coin may have just stayed in the tills. It was supposed to be voluntary but some places insisted it was mandatory.



Wouldn't it be nice if one didn't have to carry a calculator everywhere.

It was weird buying two shirts in Watkins Glen NY. They were $10 each. I asked how much and it was $20. No tax on clothes under $100 or thereabouts.

If there were no taxes and add-ons one could look at a menu and think "I've got $30 cash and I could get an entre and a beer for $30. Add $3.90 HST, $4.50 tip, and you're at $38.40. If there is a tourism fee of 10% you're at $42.24.

A dealer could offer new cars for $10 with an admin fee of $50,000.

In many ways I liked the hidden tax system as it kept the manure out of sight.
 
You can refuse the fee in the Falls, whether the establishment says it’s mandatory or not.
 
and setting up the superannuation system that Australia has to ensure all workers have a nest egg over time.
The day you start work your fund is contributed to from your wages and more important from your employers. Your fund moves with you and ALL employers and employees are required to partipate.
Australia citizens are rich ( 1st or 2nd ) in the world due to the trillions in super funds.
I know the Libs in Ontario wanted to institute it in Ontario, then got dumped for Fnord. :rolleyes:
 
Could you seriously imagine a superannuation fund in Ontario ? How much is in it ?? 3 bazillion. What are the admin costs ? 3.1 bazillion…..


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