Time to replace my 'uninspiring' motorcycle...

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Evoex said:
Right, every ones out to lambaste euro bikes because:

  1. We're jelly and can't afford the exotics
  2. We all know a friend of a friend of a friend of a friends 4th cousin thrice removed who heard of someone possibly owning a bike with issues which may or may not have been italian
Just because YOUR experience has been positive does not counter the experiences of the community at large, this door also swings both ways for owners of Japanese brands. However, if you`re going to sit here and tell me euro bikes are historically just as reliable as Japanese ones, i'll snicker. Then we can talk about part and service availability till we're blue in the face.

Before anyone wants to tell me 'but the current gen is!', speak with data. I'll be happy to review and admit i was wrong.
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not an argument I want to take up (happens occasionally)

but look at OP's thread title
what is the word in parenthesis?

he's not talking about the analytical part
he's talking about desire

if the riding decision could be broken down to logic on a spreadsheet
we'd all be riding a WeeStrom

terrifically engineered bike
but it has the soul of a good lawn mower
 
JavaFan said:
not an argument I want to take up (happens occasionally)

but look at OP's thread title
what is the word in parenthesis?

he's not talking about the analytical part
he's talking about desire

if the riding decision could be broken down to logic on a spreadsheet
we'd all be riding a WeeStrom

terrifically engineered bike
but it has the soul of a good lawn mower
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Fair.
 
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My 15 year old Ducati 999s, has only had a clutch, valves and belt done along with oil changes and oh yeah, a stator, and its the last of the hand built ducatis, never an issue, starts every time, not a drop of oil leaks, not an ounce of fun removed when riding it.
Ive had way more issues with my previous R6's, CBR and GSXR......(mind you they were all solid bikes too)

Just my 2 cents.....carry on.

I still say you should by the S1000r :D........Thats my next bike, shopping for one now.
 
Rob Star said:
My 15 year old Ducati 999s, has only had a clutch, valves and belt done along with oil changes and oh yeah, a stator, and its the last of the hand built ducatis, never an issue, starts every time, not a drop of oil leaks, not an ounce of fun removed when riding it.
Ive had way more issues with my previous R6's, CBR and GSXR......(mind you they were all solid bikes too)

Just my 2 cents.....carry on.

I still say you should by the S1000r :D........Thats my next bike......shopping now for one.
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Marnello BMW has an s1kr demo available fyi.
 
Mad Mike said:
Or people that have worked on Italian motor vehicles. They are not always harder to work on, but parts are more expensive, less available and access to experienced/qualified techs/dealers is quite restricted.

Consumer reports last bike survey was 12000 motorcyclists. In raw numbers, the study found 11% of new Yamahas will need serious attention in their first four years of life. Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki ranked close -- all under 15%, then came everyone else. HD owners reported 26% of new bikes needing attention. Ducati and BMW owners must expect problems -- the study found 33% of new Ducatis and 40% of new BMWs require serious repairs.

They also found a four times greater chance that a Ducati or BMW will need repair compared to Yamaha, which is pretty significant, when you consider the cost of servicing a BMW or Ducati runs about 50% higher than Japanese bikes.

They concluded Euro bikes are designed for character, sex appeal and brand exclusivity. Japanese bikes are engineered for reliability.
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Putting HD aside, I see at least one issue with this survey. The Japanese manufacture motorcycles of all types, including many under-stressed models. On the other hand, the Europeans mostly build more performance-oriented machines. So when you get a general survey of Honda, for example, how many of them are replying based on experience with a CBR1000RR vs a CRB250, Goldwing, or Rebel?
 
Brand new MV Augusta press bike:

I have nothing against italian or european bikes but this stuff doesnt help their reputation:

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bigpoppa said:
I have nothing against italian or european bikes but this stuff doesnt help their reputation:
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Ok, I won't watch it then (y)

This one is good for their reputation watch it:
 
Jayell said:
690 Duke?
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That would be a ton of fun around town etc with a big single, but I cant even imagine any highway distance.

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There’s a few newer RC8Rs for a little more. If OP wants something a bit different this is certainly different.
 
Time to consider the lowly KLR650. Put's a smile on my face like few other bikes have. And what's more fun than taking a short cut out of the parking lot by going over the curb.
 
timtune said:
Time to consider the lowly KLR650. Put's a smile on my face like few other bikes have. And what's more fun than taking a short cut out of the parking lot by going over the curb.
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Taking the road and avoiding the stunting charge.
 
Trials said:
Any of you guys laughing owned a modern Italian motorcycle, worked on them, or just guessing based on the construction of tomato squeezers.
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Once they get the tomato squeezers down, I'll look at the bikes.
 
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