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this bail thing is just like brbing your way out, but in a nice way!

And your suprised at the outcome??????, i learned from my past that this country is a joke when it comes to offences like this 1 . im not saying lets bring all the laws from america here but seriously this jack off gets off killing a human being?!?!!? pathetic , buddy of mine smuggled some contaband in for a friend to prioson last year and got caught, you know what he got??? 7 months house arrest when it should of been jail time , im done no point of talking about this ....
 
Roasted said:
Or we can get 100K of his daddy's money to be funneled into the system instead? I think the choice is pretty clear.
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I don't think that's how it works. I was granted bail and the only way I would have to pay is if I broke the conditions. The money is just collateral against the person breaking the conditions of the bail.
 
You do realize that bail is a right. and not allowing bail is only really in situations where people are likely to reoffend or run... The crown has to show a evidence of that or bail is granted.

Unless you are saying that we should approve the practice of regularly imprisioning people before they are found guilty. I thought people were against that on this forum.
 
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kanabis said:
And your suprised at the outcome??????, i learned from my past that this country is a joke when it comes to offences like this 1 . im not saying lets bring all the laws from america here but seriously this jack off gets off killing a human being?!?!!? pathetic , buddy of mine smuggled some contaband in for a friend to prioson last year and got caught, you know what he got??? 7 months house arrest when it should of been jail time , im done no point of talking about this ....
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I was just reading yesterday how an innocent girl the unintended target was gunned down by a stray bullet and the murderer is charged with 2nd degree murder. I think anyone carrying an illegal gun and it kills someone should be an automatic first degree.

Same goes with driving drunk. You made the decision to drink a lot you can also make the decision to plan how to get home. If driving is your choice and you kill someone it should be an automatic 1st degree. Yes it may sound harsh but it'll change the attitude and culture of how we approach drinking and getting home. It's not the 80's anymore we seem to have more lunatics come out of the wood work that can't think independently.
 
psycho44 said:
I was just reading yesterday how an innocent girl the unintended target was gunned down by a stray bullet and the murderer is charged with 2nd degree murder. I think anyone carrying an illegal gun and it kills someone should be an automatic first degree.

Same goes with driving drunk. You made the decision to drink a lot you can also make the decision to plan how to get home. If driving is your choice and you kill someone it should be an automatic 1st degree. Yes it may sound harsh but it'll change the attitude and culture of how we approach drinking and getting home. It's not the 80's anymore we seem to have more lunatics come out of the wood work that can't think independently.
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You realize that they are both life sentences and they only differ with parole eligibility.
 
psycho44 said:
I was just reading yesterday how an innocent girl the unintended target was gunned down by a stray bullet and the murderer is charged with 2nd degree murder. I think anyone carrying an illegal gun and it kills someone should be an automatic first degree.

Same goes with driving drunk. You made the decision to drink a lot you can also make the decision to plan how to get home. If driving is your choice and you kill someone it should be an automatic 1st degree. Yes it may sound harsh but it'll change the attitude and culture of how we approach drinking and getting home. It's not the 80's anymore we seem to have more lunatics come out of the wood work that can't think independently.
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So what would warrant second degree or manslaughter?
 
He's gonna get it one day... by natural selection...
 
OpenGambit said:
You realize that they are both life sentences and they only differ with parole eligibility.
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yes I know though without googling it correct me if I'm wrong but 1st degree is 25 years without parole and doesn't matter how many you kill whether it's 1 or 100 the maximum is 25 years. Unless life sentence means something else.

There's the old saying I learned when I was in school if you bring a knife to school you're only going to intend to use it to hurt others.

So if you have an illegal gun I doubt it's for self defense purposes from random muggings. Many people drink so it's hard to rationalize a life sentence for drunk driving and killing someone but we may get to that point one day.
 
Let do aways with this fair trial process first of all.

Second, when someone dies all parties involved should be convicted of first degree murder. Illegal weapons....first degree murder.

Speeding...... possession of an illegal fire arm.
 
01cbr said:
So what would warrant second degree or manslaughter?
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one punching someone and they hit their head and die.

I read the article and this guy gets kicked out of a party so he's mad comes back an hour later with a gun and fires of a bunch of round, one accidently fatally hitting the girl. He gets charged 2nd degree. Was there no intention to kill once you let of a few rounds of bullet even though you never intended to hit anyone?
 
psycho44 said:
one punching someone and they hit their head and die.

I read the article and this guy gets kicked out of a party so he's mad comes back an hour later with a gun and fires of a bunch of round, one accidently fatally hitting the girl. He gets charged 2nd degree. Was there no intention to kill once you let of a few rounds of bullet even though you never intended to hit anyone?
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Look up the definition of second degree murder.
 
psycho44 said:
one punching someone and they hit their head and die.

I read the article and this guy gets kicked out of a party so he's mad comes back an hour later with a gun and fires of a bunch of round, one accidently fatally hitting the girl. He gets charged 2nd degree. Was there no intention to kill once you let of a few rounds of bullet even though you never intended to hit anyone?
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what? 2nd degree is intention to kill (or bodily harm likely to cause death)... 1st degree is, in addition to second degree murder, premeditation and other specially listed circumstances (many of which are not mens rea related)

You seem extremely confused, maybe you should google first...
 
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I just did and sort of knew what 1st and 2nd degree differences was including the sentencing. Just don't agree someone should be eligible for parole 10 to 25 years into their sentence for 2nd degree. Well with being in possession of a gun I think that's premeditation in itself but I guess the law sees it differently that you have to know who you want to kill and plan how you're going to kill your intended target otherwise accidently killing someone will net you minimum 10 years to maximum 25 years.
 
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