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Thinking about getting a commuter, ideas welcome...

Inflation sure hit the CB500x regime ...new nudging 10k and even a 2013 stupid high.

if you want really good mileage and able to maintain 110-120 easily this would work


and I get a real 3.1 per 100 km
 
wow - the Jesse cases worth more than he is asking .....

this is very nice
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this too 2011 Suzuki V-Strom 650 ABS Adventure Ready! | Sport Touring | Kitchener / Waterloo | Kijiji
and you could sell those farkles for a chunk of change too.

Selling my 2011 V-Strom 650/DL650 ABS that’s adventure ready. She has 52,000 kms but I’ll be riding her until she’s sold. Very reliable bike with a ton of aftermarket parts including: -Givi Airflow windscreen $250 -MadStad windscreen brackets $250 -Oxford heated grips $130 -BarkBusters hand guards $150 -Headlight Gaurd $100 -Radiator guard $100 -SW Motech skid plate $395 -SW Motech crash bars $325 -Pannier Racks $$225 -Jesse hard case luggage (lockable) $1399 Bike had new chain and sprocket done in 2021 along with Fork Seals. Shinko 705 tires are in good shape. Has a pelican top case and tool tube so this bike is ready to take you coast to coast or explore your local backroads. Not looking to make money on it. Has close to $3k in aftermarket parts, asking $4500 ready to ride.
 
I’ve got @MacDoc’s 500X and in all honesty your requirement is what it’s built for.

Dependable, economical, and effective commuter. As that…I think it’s hard to beat.

Highly recommend looking into them. Very good for that duty. Hell if I knew what I really wanted that it can’t do…I’d replace it….but the mofo is just that good. And with hard luggage!

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wow - the Jesse cases worth more than he is asking .....

this is very nice
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this too 2011 Suzuki V-Strom 650 ABS Adventure Ready! | Sport Touring | Kitchener / Waterloo | Kijiji
and you could sell those farkles for a chunk of change too.

Selling my 2011 V-Strom 650/DL650 ABS that’s adventure ready. She has 52,000 kms but I’ll be riding her until she’s sold. Very reliable bike with a ton of aftermarket parts including: -Givi Airflow windscreen $250 -MadStad windscreen brackets $250 -Oxford heated grips $130 -BarkBusters hand guards $150 -Headlight Gaurd $100 -Radiator guard $100 -SW Motech skid plate $395 -SW Motech crash bars $325 -Pannier Racks $$225 -Jesse hard case luggage (lockable) $1399 Bike had new chain and sprocket done in 2021 along with Fork Seals. Shinko 705 tires are in good shape. Has a pelican top case and tool tube so this bike is ready to take you coast to coast or explore your local backroads. Not looking to make money on it. Has close to $3k in aftermarket parts, asking $4500 ready to ride.
The awesome looking orange one is @Baggsy
 
Honestly can't see how you could go wrong with a Burgman.
I probably should have titled the thread something like, "I'm about to buy a Burgman! Quick, find me a real motorcycle that'll do the same job for the same money to save me from myself!"


The 300's are nimble and easy to throw around and while yes, they are not high powered, they are much faster off the line than all commuter cars out there; I mean, if you are in stop and go traffic, most cars are not coming off the line accelerating as fast as you would if you wanted to. Also keep in mind, they are much cheaper on general maintenance years down the line. The MT-03 and 07 would be my suggestion.
Don't get me wrong, those are all great bikes for the money. But for similar power and only a touch less acceleration, a maxi-scooter offers a lot more practicality and ease of use on the commuting end. I've already got my Tuono for any sporty riding I want to do, so the handling isn't much of a selling point except as it relates to dodging in and out of traffic ..

Also, just think, it's kinda nice to look back at the bike after you park it and think that it looks really nice. If you are not feeling the "cool" factor, maybe you should consider that more.
I'm a firm believer in this idea, as a bike you think is pretty is also a bike you want to ride. The problem is the bike I really think is cool is the Sprint ST 1050 that GP Bikes has for sale, but it simply doesn't make a lot of sense on the practical side.

maybe a versys 300?
not sure how much they go for
Haven't looked too closely, but a quick search says it's too close to the CB500X, which makes about 30% more power (30 odd vs 40 odd HP) and seems to be better built.

Hard to beat a V-Strom 650 for simple, dependable, and somewhat fun transportation. Most are high mileage, but it isn't anything to worry about. Nice thing is most are already setup for touring with luggage, windscreen, heated grips, etc. For the price, it's hard to find a better all around bike.

I know the market is different now, but 3-4 years ago I sold my '06 V-strom 650, 80k km, full touring setup, and decent shape for $2600. Had a hard time selling it too.
There's a few out there, but almost all are over 70,000 kms (many over 100,000) which is a bigger risk than I want for a reliable commuter. Pricing matches the mileage, mostly. I'd really like something closer to 40k on the odometer if possible.

The V motor actually appeals quite a lot, and the SV is another option that could be a good fit, though there's not many around. Maybe they got snapped up by track day riders...

Sounds like a Honda Civic with working A/C is perfect. Why would anyone want to sit in traffic on the Gardner on a motorcycle? Why would anyone want to go on the Gardner on a motorcycle?
It's a fair question, but one I can only answer when I see how much time it'll actually save me in the HOV lane. If it knocks 15 minutes each way off the commute, I'll happily give up the A/C, as that half hour per day is gold. I have noticed that the HOV benefits are transient, though, as so many solo drivers jump in there when things slow down that it eventually gets as slow as the regular traffic. The key seems to be getting into it early, while the regular traffic has recently slowed. They're really aggressive about enforcing HOV abuse in BC, with huge fines for improper use, which means the lanes flow for a lot longer. But as seems to be the standard in Ontario, speeding is the only ticket they're interested in pursuing.

I don't expect I'll be out there every day, but it's always nice to have the option. I actually really enjoy commuting on a bike as long as things are moving. It's the bumper to bumper creep that sucks.

Air cooled too.
Air/oil cooled, Suzuki would have you know! Not sure that's a benefit in stop-and-go, especially if you get a good 40C Toronto summer afternoon. Still, between that and carbs, maintenance is a lot easier.

wow - the Jesse cases worth more than he is asking .....

this is very nice
s-l640.jpg



this too 2011 Suzuki V-Strom 650 ABS Adventure Ready! | Sport Touring | Kitchener / Waterloo | Kijiji
and you could sell those farkles for a chunk of change too.

Selling my 2011 V-Strom 650/DL650 ABS that’s adventure ready. She has 52,000 kms but I’ll be riding her until she’s sold. Very reliable bike with a ton of aftermarket parts including: -Givi Airflow windscreen $250 -MadStad windscreen brackets $250 -Oxford heated grips $130 -BarkBusters hand guards $150 -Headlight Gaurd $100 -Radiator guard $100 -SW Motech skid plate $395 -SW Motech crash bars $325 -Pannier Racks $$225 -Jesse hard case luggage (lockable) $1399 Bike had new chain and sprocket done in 2021 along with Fork Seals. Shinko 705 tires are in good shape. Has a pelican top case and tool tube so this bike is ready to take you coast to coast or explore your local backroads. Not looking to make money on it. Has close to $3k in aftermarket parts, asking $4500 ready to ride.
Thanks for these! Have mostly been looking on AutoTrader because Kijiji's interface gives me a headache, but I should expand my search.

I’ve got @MacDoc’s 500X and in all honesty your requirement is what it’s built for.

Dependable, economical, and effective commuter. As that…I think it’s hard to beat.

Highly recommend looking into them. Very good for that duty. Hell if I knew what I really wanted that it can’t do…I’d replace it….but the mofo is just that good. And with hard luggage!

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Yep, it's definitely close to the top of the list, but as @MacDoc says above, deals are thin on the ground. There are a couple in Quebec that seem fairly priced, but it'd have to be a screaming deal to justify the drive. One of the Burgman's I have my eye on is in New Liskeard, which is just too far to kick tires...
 
One thing I’ll say….commuting on the 401 on the bike literally killed any joy I found in riding. I found myself resenting the bike and when I looked at it I didn’t see a fun, smile inducing machine…I saw a commute to work.

I sold the bike I had at the time because of it.

Bonus is that up to Ford you can take the HOV lane. After that I’d take Lakeshore instead of the QEW.

I’d prefer to just drive the car. I refuse to take the bike to Scarborough now from Mississauga on the 401.
 
As someone who has owned a Ninja 1000SX and a 919... I would probably scratch the 919 off the list entirely. Fuel economy won't be great, you are on the mark about the lack of wind/weather protection, and since you already own a Tuono you will probably just be wishing you were riding that instead all the time. The 919 is not a bad bike, but it's not an exciting one. Reliable? Sure... it is aging a bit though, common gremlin is fuel pressure regulator. Oh and the undertail exhaust does add to your heat burden a little in stop and go. You can give mine a spin if you like, if you love it I'd even sell it to you lol.

Ninja 1000SX on the other hand... mine was red and subjectively I think it was at least the best *looking* bike I've ever owned. Range is good, fuel economy is OK. It struck a very good balance between sporty and "practical" for me.

Your list SCREAMS DL-650 to me though. There were TONS of clean ones below $5K in the off season, so you only need a few months worth of gas for your time machine
 
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Sounds like a Honda Civic with working A/C is perfect. Why would anyone want to sit in traffic on the Gardner on a motorcycle? Why would anyone want to go on the Gardner on a motorcycle?

The guy formerly known as Mladin.
I ride the DVP everyday possible, doesn't matter if I'm sweating or if it's raining. I ask myself why would anyone wanna be a prisoner stuck in a cage? Driving is for the winter....
 
I am not sure if you are aware but a lot of rules will be changing relating to the HOV. A lot of people will be allowed to buy a monthly subscription to allow them access to the HOV even when they are solo, the money supposedly will go towards climate initiatives. All electric/hybrid cars will be allowed as well (they already are)

There will come a point where cops won't be able to differentiate who is and is not allowed to be in the HOV lane without conducting lengthy queries and I feel like it will become something they never bother to enforce. When that happens, the HOV is watered down to a regular lane. To me, the HOV is filled with guys doing 100-110 km/h. sometimes distinctly slower than traffic on the regular lanes!

The increase in gas prices recently has me thinking about doing more commuting on the R3. if I take the R3 to work for a full work week, it would cost me 15-20 in gas, compared to 120 in the car.
 
Air/oil cooled, Suzuki would have you know! Not sure that's a benefit in stop-and-go, especially if you get a good 40C Toronto summer afternoon. Still, between that and carbs, maintenance is a lot easier.
20W50 in the heat. I've owned more than one.
I've been waiting for a CBR650 recommendation. Surprised it hasn't been mentioned.
 
20W50 in the heat. I've owned more than one.
I've been waiting for a CBR650 recommendation. Surprised it hasn't been mentioned.
Prob will be lucky to find one under $5K that isn't bent. Though same would apply to the Ninja 1000 I suppose
 
One thing I’ll say….commuting on the 401 on the bike literally killed any joy I found in riding. I found myself resenting the bike and when I looked at it I didn’t see a fun, smile inducing machine…I saw a commute to work.
Another reason not to commute on the Tuono!

I'm hoping by mixing it up, it'll be less painful...

As someone who has owned a Ninja 1000SX and a 919... I would probably scratch the 919 off the list entirely. Fuel economy won't be great, you are on the mark about the lack of wind/weather protection, and since you already own a Tuono you will probably just be wishing you were riding that instead all the time. The 919 is not a bad bike, but it's not an exciting one. Reliable? Sure... it is aging a bit though, common gremlin is fuel pressure regulator. Oh and the undertail exhaust does add to your heat burden a little in stop and go. You can give mine a spin if you like, if you love it I'd even sell it to you lol.
919 was only there as there is (was?) one for sale at a reasonable price. The main benefit is the Honda reliability, and that I think both it and the 599 are good looking bikes. It's hard to justify on a cost and practicality basis, though.

Ninja 1000SX on the other hand... mine was red and subjectively I think it was at least the best *looking* bike I've ever owned. Range is good, fuel economy is OK. It struck a very good balance between sporty and "practical" for me.
I found one with almost 50k on the odometer for around $7k, and it's a bike I've always really liked, so on the list it went. It's maybe more practical than the 919, but it's still not the budget option. The extra $800-1000/yr in insurance alone makes it hard to justify.

Your list SCREAMS DL-650 to me though. There were TONS of clean ones below $5K in the off season, so you only need a few months worth of gas for your time machine
You know what, on paper you're absolutely right. Ticks pretty much every box. It's hard to explain, though, but the bikes don't do anything at all for me. I'm hesitant to be too damning, because I know they're incredible value for money and plenty of amazing riders have done incredible things on them. But for me, I just can't bring myself to want one. I'm still trying, especially as I know how well they do what I want to do, but when I look at an ad, I find myself making a million excuses why I shouldn't buy it...

I am not sure if you are aware but a lot of rules will be changing relating to the HOV. A lot of people will be allowed to buy a monthly subscription to allow them access to the HOV even when they are solo, the money supposedly will go towards climate initiatives. All electric/hybrid cars will be allowed as well (they already are)
I've entered the HOT lottery, but I'm not holding my breath.

There will come a point where cops won't be able to differentiate who is and is not allowed to be in the HOV lane without conducting lengthy queries and I feel like it will become something they never bother to enforce. When that happens, the HOV is watered down to a regular lane. To me, the HOV is filled with guys doing 100-110 km/h. sometimes distinctly slower than traffic on the regular lanes!
Having sat in the fast lane and watched cars in the HOV lane come up on me in my mirrors for extended periods of time, I don't believe anyone is enforcing it at all. Easily 75% of the vehicles I saw had nobody in the front passenger seat. While some may have had kids in the back (I guess? Not sure why at rush hour on the QEW?), the vast majority are clearly just single drivers taking advantage of the lack of enforcement. Maybe if they have people paying for the privilege, there will be some incentive. The HOT permit goes off the plate of the car, not the driver, so cops could easily scan plates to determine who is who.

The increase in gas prices recently has me thinking about doing more commuting on the R3. if I take the R3 to work for a full work week, it would cost me 15-20 in gas, compared to 120 in the car.
It was getting past $250 to fill my company F-150 before I gave it up. Anyone driving anything big is definitely feeling the pinch. Even our Civic is north of $80 to fill now...

20W50 in the heat. I've owned more than one.
I've been waiting for a CBR650 recommendation. Surprised it hasn't been mentioned.
650 definitely a solid bike, but I haven't seen any in my searches.

Prob will be lucky to find one under $5K that isn't bent. Though same would apply to the Ninja 1000 I suppose
The budget isn't fixed, so for the right bike it could be stretched. Ninja 1000 for $7k (even with sort of high miles) is a tempting reach. But the whole point of this exercise is to be frugal, and that's not the tightwad's choice...

Just as an overall update, I'm going to look at a clean Burgman 400 tomorrow that's fairly priced at just under $4k. Figure I should at least check one out to see if it's what I expect.
 
Fair point about the DL-650 - buying a bike because it checks out on paper is a mistake I have made more than once.

Something else I just remembered about the Ninja 1000, and a problem you may already be familiar with on the Tuono. I did a short commute on it for a while, and it wasn't necessarily bad, one thing that absolutely drove me crazy was that I almost never had an opportunity to stretch its legs. There would always be a car in front of me at all times. It has a nice motor! But I would almost never know it. Also it takes premium gas surprisingly. I had an earlier model (2011?) and it had literally the worst stock seat I've ever experienced, but that is fixable
 
I own a 2016 Vstrom 650. Can be found $5000-$6000. I've ridden to NYC and back. Highway riding is easy and effortless. Commute daily and good on gas and insurance. Has hard luggage or side boxes. Maintenance is very easy. You have a miriad of options. Good luck!
 
You know what, on paper you're absolutely right. Ticks pretty much every box. It's hard to explain, though, but the bikes don't do anything at all for me. I'm hesitant to be too damning, because I know they're incredible value for money and plenty of amazing riders have done incredible things on them. But for me, I just can't bring myself to want one. I'm still trying, especially as I know how well they do what I want to do, but when I look at an ad, I find myself making a million excuses why I shouldn't buy it...

The V-Stroms are not the best bike in the world and I never liked them before buying one. I even distinctly remember a conversation with a co-worker around '03-04 where he was excited to buy one and I endlessly mocked him over it. Then I was in need of a cheap touring bike and the V-Strom fit the criteria and budget better than any other so I bought one as a stop gap.

Was really surprised that I liked it and found it pretty fun. Nice thing is they are so cheap (generally) that if you don't like it, can sell it without any significant loss. I want to say it cost me $600 in depreciation to ride my V-Strom for 2-3 years and 30,000km's.
 

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