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Agree with you 100%. They should be treated the same, as in the end...they are effectively the same.

It's that emotional attachment that makes the decision difficult. I loved that cottage when I was younger, and my kids love it now. Would I buy THAT cottage today? No. I would buy something on the water, in a more secluded area, and probably further away.

If they sell the cottage for (assuming) 450k. That's 450k in cash - capital gains of 120k = 320k in cash to do with as they please. That type of coin can do a lot of good/bad lol.
320 invested gives each kid almost 400k before tax as a downpayment on a house when they finish school. Taxes could be minimized by selling off securities after they turn 18 to trigger CG of 80K a year or so on which they'd owe very little.
 
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This is not really a concern for us (currently) as my sis has no want of it in any way shape or form. While I love my sis and BIL, there's zero chance I would split cottage ownership with them. Not because I don't like them, but because 'well I want all the long weekends of the summer, and you take the rest' type of discussions.

I like to do the work around the cottage myself. They like to (and can afford to) pay someone else to do it.
My current situation is;

Aunt and my dad were 50/50 tenants in common, he passed and my sister and I now split his share. Thankfully my aunt and uncle are fairly reasonable people and are willing to exchange dates/change the schedule on a yearly basis. Both are long retired and live within an hour of the property so they are always doing a lot of the upkeep themselves. I assume when my aunt passes my cousin will get her share of the property. My cousin has a good head on her shoulder so I do not expect any issues. We'll just have to revisit the upkeep situation and likely pay someone when stuff goes wrong as she lives even further away then I do.

Ideally I would like to AirBnB it during the times its unused, but if so much as a fork is put in the wrong place I get a 2 page hand written note about it the next time I go up reminding me 'everything has its place.'. So I'll revisit the AirBnB situation when my cousin inherits, if we can make enough to break even on the upkeep then I'll be happy.
 
Was having an interesting convo at work today. Was telling my buddy the issue with transferring cottage to my name and not having cash up front and he simply said ‘why don’t you just take our an insurance on your parents, make yourself the beneficiary and when they die you get the payout for the amount owing on the capital gain tax? People do this.’
On a slightly related note, here is a story about a couple in Uxbridge. Pulled 150K out of a HELOC to YOLO in 2018. Had no intentions of paying it back. They thought they had life insurance so when one died, the debt would disappear. Life insurance on the HELOC terminates at 70 so it was uninsured. Wife dies, debt survives, husband is scratching his head as he has no way to pay it off (without selling his house which it sounds like he has no intention of doing).

 
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... There is no "mom and dad wanted me to keep all these XYZ stocks." Even if the stocks have been held for decades and were way up.
Funny you say that, it's a bit of a joke around our family. My parents are emotionally attached to a couple of stocks -- Dad to Garmin, he got a pile pre-IPO while working with them, and Mom with IBM - she got a handful when she retired. I keep 100 shares of each in their portfolios, they would be devastated if I sold them -- they are the only investments they ever ask me about.
 
On a slightly related note, here is a story about a couple in Uxbridge. Pulled 150K out of a HELOC to YOLO. Had no intentions of paying it back. They though they had life insurance so when one died, the debt would disappear. Life insurance on the HELOC terminates at 70 so it was uninsured. Wife dies, debt survives, husband is scratching his head as he has no way to pay it off (without selling his house which it sounds like he has no intention of doing).

There's a whole lot of 'I thought' in that article.

It's a garbage situation to be in...but should probably be checking the fine print before you go running off signing 150k loan documents.
 
There's a whole lot of 'I thought' in that article.

It's a garbage situation to be in...but should probably be checking the fine print before you go running off signing 150k loan documents.
And paying $800 monthly installments that you thought included insurance. It doesn't take a whole lot of paying attention to realize 150k at 7% is just under $900 a month in interest and life insurance for old people is very expensive.
 
Unintended consequences.. I hope they at least fix this part of it.

No surprise at all how little politicians think about policies before launching them. Who cares who it affects, how much it costs or whether it is good policy as long as it can get you one vote more than it costs you.
 
Seems pretty clear. Not much room for interpretation. I should send this article to realtor who told me the complete opposite a couple weeks ago who has been in the game for 30 years...did exact same thing helped his daughter out, paid no taxes.

 
320 invested gives each kid almost 400k before tax as a downpayment on a house when they finish school. Taxes could be minimized by selling off securities after they turn 18 to trigger CG of 80K a year or so on which they'd owe very little.
If the money is for the children, let them own it and trigger the CG annually. With 50% of the return taxable as income, they have to make a gain of >$30K in a year to be in tax territory.
 
Seems pretty clear. Not much room for interpretation. I should send this article to realtor who told me the complete opposite a couple weeks ago who has been in the game for 30 years...did exact same thing helped his daughter out, paid no taxes.

For the kids getting free lots to build on, they should be throwing 20k each to grandma and problem is solved. If they can't afford 20k, they sure as hell cant afford to build houses.
 
Unintended consequences.. I hope they at least fix this part of it.

What unintended consequence? The new Capital Gain rule hasn't come into effect yet, her lawyer told her she's going to have to pay it regardless...

While I agree it sucks (as per my comments earlier with our parents' cottage), this was 100% known to her...she just didn't think it would apply. Article clearly states her lawyer warned her.
 
For the kids getting free lots to build on, they should be throwing 20k each to grandma and problem is solved. If they can't afford 20k, they sure as hell cant afford to build houses.
Lots like the ones described (one with a hydro tower, and one partial wetland) I'd be trying to sell those off and just taking the money.

Good thing is now kids' capital gains trigger at the 125k and 145k respectively. So their gain will be much smaller.
 
Seems pretty clear. Not much room for interpretation. I should send this article to realtor who told me the complete opposite a couple weeks ago who has been in the game for 30 years...did exact same thing helped his daughter out, paid no taxes.

"I'm not wealthy" but I'm doing well enough to have a paid off place of my own and can afford to give away $250K worth of land.
 
"I'm not wealthy" but I'm doing well enough to have a paid off place of my own and can afford to give away $250K worth of land.
She probably has very little money but a decent net worth. Net worth doesn't necessarily allow you to pay bills. More lazy media coverage though. If they want to play the "poor me" card, they should have included what else she has. Is there another lot that she could sell to cover the tax etc. Most people don't own their primary home plus two random lots across the street.
 
What unintended consequence? The new Capital Gain rule hasn't come into effect yet, her lawyer told her she's going to have to pay it regardless...

While I agree it sucks (as per my comments earlier with our parents' cottage), this was 100% known to her...she just didn't think it would apply. Article clearly states her lawyer warned her.

Thinking you replied to the wrong post?
That article is about a disabled person's trust... and I don't think there's an exception for trusts.. so I think he'll pay the higher rate on the whole amount
 
Thinking you replied to the wrong post?
That article is about a disabled person's trust...
Crap you are right. Apologies for that.

Seems pretty clear. Not much room for interpretation. I should send this article to realtor who told me the complete opposite a couple weeks ago who has been in the game for 30 years...did exact same thing helped his daughter out, paid no taxes.

This is what I was replying to.
 
A lawyer told her she would have to pay taxes but she ignored the advice. No sympathy.
Also, even if there was a punt available for some situations (eg cottage being passed down), presumably the kids would be using this as a primary residence to there would be no tax payable in the future. I guess there could be a complicated exemption where you punt the tax with a lien and have to repay the tax with interest in the future but that number would be shocking by the time it came around. 20K at 5% 40 years later is over $140k. Big ouch.
 
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She probably has very little money but a decent net worth. Net worth doesn't necessarily allow you to pay bills. More lazy media coverage though. If they want to play the "poor me" card, they should have included what else she has. Is there another lot that she could sell to cover the tax etc. Most people don't own their primary home plus two random lots across the street.
Let the benefactors pay the taxes - if someone in the fam was willing to give up a chunk of property for the cost of CG taxes, I'd be the first pig at the trough.
 

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