The Sikhs are at it again: fighting helmet laws.

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nobbie48 said:
My only real concern is the cost of health care. I wear ATGATT and would be very angry if I was told I had to leave my lid at home and wear a turban instead because it is my life at risk.
However if a Sikh can wear a turban instead of a helmet then can anyone wear a turban instead of a helmet?
If a Sikh can wear a kirpan then can anyone?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander or is the "Rights" road a one-way street.
Lots of opinions here but few facts. Has any actuary calculated the projected health costs of turbaned riders or is this a financial tempest in a teapot?
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all these assnuts here complaining that they don't want the cost of their health care to go up??? Seriously??????? that's your basis for an argument???

Don't Fing ride a bike on the street you affect the cost of health care and insurance for all the cagers!!!

How about the mofos that don't wear full face helmets? I don't see anyone arguing against that. My dental costs will go up because some joker handed on his face and all he was wearing was a dot approved beanie.


p.s. i am neither sikhs or give a crap about this issue just tired of stupid health care points as an excuse like wtf come on!!!
 
To add, in fact I think health care costs are ACTUALLY MORE for those wearing a helmet

Thinking logically which seems to escape some people here no helmet= death which costs the family a funeral expense.

Helmet wearer might linger in the hospital for a few days, might be extremely mangled but survives with years and years of thearpy.

Which costs the system more???
 
Someone might this and someone might that.

You also need to take into consideration insurance and whether the risk goes up or down for them and thus the costs to the average consumer.

When companies are covering their liability, they make you wear a helmet rather than not letting you wear a helmet. It therefore makes senses that helmet use would cost less for insurance and health care purposes.
 
rutakin said:
all these assnuts here complaining that they don't want the cost of their health care to go up??? Seriously??????? that's your basis for an argument???

Don't Fing ride a bike on the street you affect the cost of health care and insurance for all the cagers!!!

How about the mofos that don't wear full face helmets? I don't see anyone arguing against that. My dental costs will go up because some joker handed on his face and all he was wearing was a dot approved beanie.


p.s. i am neither sikhs or give a crap about this issue just tired of stupid health care points as an excuse like wtf come on!!!
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Got any facts? What does it cost to keep a spastic veggie in fresh diapers in a hospital for a year? Lets say they live 20 or 30 years? Who picks up the tab? How many are likely to end up as spastic veggies either with turbans, no lids at all, beanies or full face? If it's a million a year each and there's only one it really isn't that big a burden considering the waste already going on but where are the numbers? How many spastic veggies can we support? Number please?

Facts anyone?

BTW the costs would be added to the motorcycle insurance group not the car insurance therefore a smaller base.

BC has a different insurance system so that also has to be factored in as well.
 
Question: If MRI technician told the patient wearing a turban that it was not allowed, and the safety risks associated with it and made him sign a waiver, and then he got in with his necklace which had steel in it and it bounced around and killed him would the technician still be at fault? Do you think his family will say "it's ok, it was his personal choice" or "why the **** did you let him go in when you knew his life was at stake??"

Do cults/religions who believe in mass suicides overturn our anti-suicide laws? I mean, it is their choice to live or die isn't it?

I do second the church of the Holy Ton LOL!

It is true though, too many people have too much time on their hands and have to argue every little thing.

It would be nice if people can allow certain things and then just say "I told you so" but that surely isn't going to happen.
 
bboySushi said:
Question: If MRI technician told the patient wearing a turban that it was not allowed, and the safety risks associated with it and made him sign a waiver, and then he got in with his necklace which had steel in it and it bounced around and killed him would the technician still be at fault? Do you think his family will say "it's ok, it was his personal choice" or "why the **** did you let him go in when you knew his life was at stake??"
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Nothing wrong with going into an MRI with a turban, its all cloth, no metal. You bringing a necklace into this changes up the story and has nothing to do with wearing a turban...?
 
For the people that don't see an issue with this, would it be ok for an obese person not to wear a seatbelt because it didn't fit?
 
IMHO, there is no way that Ontario will allow anyone on a motorcycle without a helmet. If they do, great, sign a waiver saying that when I become a turnip and I'm lying in an inpatient care unit, my family will have to cover the costs of keeping me on life support because it is also against my religion to prevent you from pulling the ventilator that is keeping me alive.
Asshats.
 
imnothng said:
For the people that don't see an issue with this, would it be ok for an obese person not to wear a seatbelt because it didn't fit?
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There are seatbelt exemptions provided to certain people for various reasons, obesity being among them.
Exception(6) Subsections (2) and (3) do not apply to a person,
(a) who is driving a motor vehicle in reverse;
(b) who holds a certificate signed by a legally qualified medical practitioner certifying that the person is,
(i) for the period stated in the certificate, unable for medical reasons to wear a seat belt assembly, or
(ii) because of the person’s size, build or other physical characteristic, unable to wear a seat belt assembly; or
(c) who is actually engaged in work which requires him or her to alight from and re-enter the motor vehicle at frequent intervals and the motor vehicle does not travel at a speed exceeding 40 kilometres per hour. 2006, c. 25, s. 1.
Same
(7) Clause (4) (a) does not apply in respect of a passenger if the passenger holds a certificate signed by a legally qualified medical practitioner certifying that the passenger is,
(a) for the period stated in the certificate, unable for medical reasons to wear a seat belt assembly; or
(b) because of the person’s size, build or other physical characteristic, unable to wear a seat belt assembly. 2006, c. 25, s. 1.
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imnothng said:
For the people that don't see an issue with this, would it be ok for an obese person not to wear a seatbelt because it didn't fit?
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I guess IT IS!

Start eating, pile on the weight and you can be exempt form seatbelt wearing.. there you go...
 
Somewhere in here there is a missed marketing/invention opportunity. Why doesn't someone invent a special helmet that works with the turban (fits over-top)? Is there a religious reason this can't be done?
 
imnothng said:
For the people that don't see an issue with this, would it be ok for an obese person not to wear a seatbelt because it didn't fit?
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I've tried hard, really did... but I just can't seem to care if someone doesn't want to wear a helmet. I also don't really care if that person smears their brains all over some road and very little so if they do so on the front bumper of my car.... except maybe for the cool images I may get to see if it did happen.
Same goes for fat people wearing seat belts.... other than it would be kind of interesting to see some 400 lb fat dude turned into soup inside his Hyundai accent.... Again, I can't seem to care.... because I know it won't be inside my car.

I saw a Kirpan once, in 1992 if I remember correctly..... and I can't recall caring about that either.
 
Gaggu P said:
Nothing wrong with going into an MRI with a turban, its all cloth, no metal. You bringing a necklace into this changes up the story and has nothing to do with wearing a turban...?
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Sorry, I had inadvertently assumed that the person who did not want to take off the necklace due to religious reasons was of the same faith in which he had to wear a turban. It was in reference to someone's story earlier.
 
backmarkerducati said:
Somewhere in here there is a missed marketing/invention opportunity. Why doesn't someone invent a special helmet that works with the turban (fits over-top)? Is there a religious reason this can't be done?
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your kidding me? invent a helmet that fits over a turban? i really gotta ride beside mothaf*****s that look like they part of the ET movie set? they r retarded for wanting to ride without a helmet and making this a religious thing and we are juz down right dumb to even try to accommodate these d-bags.

frustration is at 99.99%
 
marshall1987 said:
your kidding me? invent a helmet that fits over a turban? i really gotta ride beside mothaf*****s that look like they part of the ET movie set? they r retarded for wanting to ride without a helmet and making this a religious thing and we are juz down right dumb to even try to accommodate these d-bags.

frustration is at 99.99%
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most sikhs I know or have come across have stopped wearing their turbans once they reach an age where they feel they can deal with the wraith of daddy khan.

so don't go blaming all sikhs over a small amount of *******.
 
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