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The less meat thread

Wingboy said:
I tried a plastic burger at a family bbq a few years ago. Nope.
Same with a tofurkey thing. Nope. Did not swallow!
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Same for cauliflower pizza crust, chicken hotdogs and turkey bacon.
 
I was a vegetarian for about 20 years, the biggest benefit to eating meat is the sheer convenience of it.
I can go eat anything, anywhere, any time, no need to plan ahead or find the right spot every time your outside.

For vegetarians outside the major metropolitans (TO, van, mtl) there are no good restaurants.

Simulated meat is much like seafood, unless its prepped right it wont taste good.
Every time I tried fish, didnt like it, till I went to some GOOD restaurants and ate it the way its meant to be eaten.
 
Having expressed my dislike for vegan stuff. When my daughter and i were riding trials together, i always let her pack lunch for us. It was always vegan of course and i always felt better eating her food than eating dead animal bits.
 
GreyGhost said:
I think of them as coke vs diet coke. Some people may prefer one or the other but they are entirely separate entities and only tied together by marketing. Try one when you expect the other and you will be sorely disappointed.
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I think the soy-substitute market sets itself up for failure by trying to tie itself to an existing meat.

Don't call it a soy-steak or soy-chicken, because then the expectation will be that it will taste like beef or chicken. And then the disappointment and backlash is greater than if you just called it Soy.

The reaction should be like, "This soy doesn't taste bad. Not good... But not bad."

As opposed to "WTF kind of chicanery is this?!"
 
My daughter is vegan and wife was vegetarian. I could easily holiday with the kids and eat meat free , I could be vegan for a month if need be .
But yet for me it does not need be , I’m fine eating whatever .
I will agree masking foods as steak substitute is opening the door to failure . There is no substitute for a 4” ribeye done florentine .


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The love of red meat can be very cultural as well.

South Africans love red meat. All kinds, ostrich, kudu, sprinkbok, etc.

We lived in Cape Town for a couple of months, near the downtown core, and could only find a couple of good seafood restaurants around our house. Dozens of steak houses though.

Cape Town is right on the water. If there was anywhere in the country there should have been lots of seafood restaurants, it should have been there.

Our South African friend asked us what we wanted for braai. We asked what he had, and he listed a whole bunch of red meat.

And at the end, he said, "We also have a vegetarian option.... Chicken!"

I don't think he was making a joke..
 
Lightcycle said:
I think the soy-substitute market sets itself up for failure by trying to tie itself to an existing meat.

Don't call it a soy-steak or soy-chicken, because then the expectation will be that it will taste like beef or chicken. And then the disappointment and backlash is greater than if you just called it Soy.

The reaction should be like, "This soy doesn't taste bad. Not good... But not bad."

As opposed to "WTF kind of chicanery is this?!"
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Beyond Meat apparently have agreements with some stores to stock their products in the meat section.
 
jc100 said:
Beyond Meat apparently have agreements with some stores to stock their products in the meat section.
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Yeah, that's where they are in our grocery store.

Faux-Meat is a tough sell in the BC interior though. Not as tough as in Alberta, I'd bet. Like trying to sell ice cubes to inuits.

Food galloping across our backyard is a very frequent occurrence.
 
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jc100 said:
Beyond Meat apparently have agreements with some stores to stock their products in the meat section.
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round here they're always sold out, or priced high
(LOT of vegetarians in brampton)
 
bigpoppa said:
... the biggest benefit to eating meat is the sheer convenience of it.
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Not for me.. The sheer for me is... it just tastes so good!
 
Yep that's why I'm all for steak pies here. Kangaroo is really healthy meat and good for the environment as they don't release methane from grazing.
It's on the lean side but roo sirloin tip is just superb.
Slice the Fillets Before Serving on a Bed of Sweet Potato Mash With Beans.

Oddly tho...it's rarely in the supermarkets where we are and not often on the menus. I have one source of roo pies and beside it a German restaurant that serves croc and emu sausages as a bratwurst alternative. Crocs and emus are farmed here but protected in the wild. Roos are culled, not farmable and far better for the envorment here than hoofed cattle and sheep.

I most often view food as fuel rather than eating for pleasure so if I'm getting the right mix of protein and can stay vegan I will but at times crave a pork, chicken or beef something with good mouthfeel. We'll still eat local prawns, brother caught crabs and canned tuna is a protein fix on the bike for a quick lunch tho trailmix can do the job but ethically tuna is blackhole of conflicting claims as to sustainable.

The hormone and antibiotic impact of feedlot beef is a real downside ethically - I had always wished there was more venison served in Canada as they are a pest and taste good. Sort of like enjoying wild hog on the spit. No qualms at all. 🍽️
It's the environmental aspect of beef plus the high cost of quality beef that makes me circumspect.

It's early yet in the faux meat science and certainly far more choice out there than even a few years ago.
 
This is cultured steak that is available.
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SERVED UP: MeaTech's offering is believed to be the largest cultured steak generated using 3D bioprinting technology. The company says it is a 'groundbreaking achievement' that will serve as a milestone toward the goal of scaled production of cultivated bio-printed steak.
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www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au

Fake meat juggernaut powers on, despite waning demand

Science pushes boundaries of what is possible - but will consumers swallow it?
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good cover
www.medicalnewstoday.com

Is plant-based meat healthy? Pros and cons

Plant-based meat can be lower in saturated fat and calories than meat products, but it may be higher in sodium. However, it depends on the product type.
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My daughter is a pescatarian. No meats except fish, very occasionally. OK with things like Milk and Eggs, honey, etc.

She was a hard core vegetarian at one point in her late teens (to the point of not even thinking honey was acceptable because it was an animal produced product), but when it started to effect negatively her health she realized that it might not be the super healthy lifestyle it's sometimes made out to be. Not long after reintroducing things like dairy and more proteins like eggs she improved a lot.

Anyhow, pescatarian now. She eats a lot of the substitute products which have come a long way in the last few years and are actually quite plentiful now if you hit up that section most of us skip past - PC even has their own branded stuff now and my daughter really loves a lot of it. The jury is still out on how *healthy* some of it is, but that's a different argument.

I will admit I tried a Beyond Meat burger with her at A&W a few years ago and was actually...pleasantly surprised. When it's dressed up with all of the burger toppings, it was actually decent I must admit...and I'm a hard core meatatarian. I'm not sure if it's was a more down-to-the-basics burger without all the veggies and mayo and such that it would be comparable to beef at that point (almost certainly not even close), but the way it was at A&W, I was very surprised.

2 years back we went tent camping on crown land and she brought along the Beyond Meat sausages. Big banger-type things. She made them as part of her breakfast and I tried one. I was again surprised.

Am I switching? Nope. I like my meat. But I keep an open mind.

Anyhow, she's not the annoying type of vegetarian/vegan who gets upset at others for eating meat still, she just does her own thing because of her own convictions, and we are good with that. She's home from school for the weekend and tonight we had a roast beef while she had a PC fish patty of some sort. All cool.
 
As per last post - Beyond meat sausages:

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Grocery stores quickly learned that they need to stock them flat, however. Putting them in vertical shelving did not end well lol.

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Lightcycle said:
but I'm already on thin ice and @Wingboy's got his trigger finger on the BanHammer button...
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PM it to me and I'll post it. I haven't had a warning since, I think my first few weeks as a member here.

I think I'm OK, I can take one for the team lol.

Edit: I suppose we shouldn't be planning this in public.

This was not well thought out LOL.
 
Me-Va-Me restaurant has a veggie dish that is my go to meal even though I'm pro meat.

A&W has the option of a burger with a lettuce wrap instead of a bun. I like it and the grass fed beef.

We eat too much meat so buy less but better.

Not all vegetarians are slim hotties.

Sugar / obesity / diet / fat has more conspiracy theories than the Kennedy assassination.
 
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