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Thoughts on this ?

[video=youtube_share;xDPy9aik_g8]http://youtu.be/xDPy9aik_g8[/video]


and the Aftermath so far..

[video=youtube_share;9WAp5MOd33w]http://youtu.be/9WAp5MOd33w[/video]
 
Thoughts? The statute of limitations in that state is too short.

On the plus side, judges are elected in the states, they are political figures. I'm sure he will be ostracized from his group of peers and friends. His life as he knows it is over.
 
he aint got nothing on Judge Dredd
 
At what point does it go from corporal punishment (which I am ambivalent on) to assault (which I would assume everyone is opposed)?
 
Wow that was stomach churning and I happen to be for spankings. But at that age, a mind is able to comprehend other forms of discipline. Spanking is a very simplistic form of discipline reserved for simpler minds (and not excessive beating like this!), and in the case of corporal punishment for the case of extremely stubborn minds (which are simple in their own right). My father used to spank me but at age 15, when I expected it, he changed his tactic and was just disgusted with me, too disgusted with my offence and maturity to use spanking. Instead he switched to a rationale based approach. Psychologically I noticed it had a much more profound effect on me at an age when the mind can understand the loss of respect of a parent. And as I recall even by age 12, the spank was less on the back side and more of a slap across the face or head; not to hurt but shock and stun.....(like "homie dont play dat").

The other issue I find with this video is that the father is losing his damn cool, cussing, threatening to punch her, mounting her!!!! WTF!!! This is beyond punishment or discipline...this isn't a tactic with an end goal to mofify behavior for the better of the child...it is clearly a testosterone fueled male either flipping out or getting off and at a loss of sound tactic.

The mother achieves the result much better. 1 moderate spanking after getting the daughter to accept the punishment after ordering her maybe 3 or 4 times. Spanking is largely symbolic anyways, an act of kowtowing and obedience and submission. The father actually fails to submit the child and resorts to brute force which is completely uncalled for. The mother on the other hand submits the child with much less force or anger!

This judge showed a complete lack of judgement and strategy in dealing with a "rebelious" mind.

In the end the child suprisingly seems fine almost immediately after the lashing. As those of us who were spanked know....there comes a time when we can take the pain, and we play it up and fake the drama to give the parents the effect they are after. It is precisely at this point that the maturity of the mind no longer warrants or is effected in the same manner by reasonable physical punishment and a new tactic must be taken. After all, our bosses don't beat us, they fire us, then we are left to scramble in hard economic times to recover financially. A mature mind knows the outcome of loss of trust or respect of those who employ us.

If you have to whip a 16 year old with a belt over playing video games you have failed as a parent. Reserve that kind of extreme punishment after she stole your car and smashed into the neighbour's dog or something. What the hell does that guy have left in his discipline repetoire after that display....beating her unconcious?


That being said, the daughter is certainly playing a game now...she is taking some sort of revenge, and only exposing a small bias portion of what looks to be a family fued.

When I was a small child I went on the roof of my 3 storey house and a passer-by saw me, shreiked in fear and ran to my door to tell my grandfather who was home. He was an old school man, having been through 2 World Wars, and he beat me all the way down the 3 storeys. He demanded I return to the window on the roof, then spanked, slapped and pulled my ear all the way down. But what I noticed was that he took care not to have me stumble on the stairs. He was controlled. And he actually cried. At the ground floor he explained through his tears why he beat me, how he could never stand to see me die. He only beat me once...and it was a stern beating. But I would never ever ever hold that against him. In my memories it is actually one of the fondest memories I have. He really did get his correct loving point across and the impact was profound.

The judge in this video wasn't controlled and lacked care. But also the daughter was playing games and was clearly tech savvy. 7 years ago battery life on cameras wasn't as long as today, and she is full of **** to say that she set the camera up 30 mins before and "surprisingly" he came to beat her. Did she plan on running it for 24hrs every day in the hopes she might catch a beating? That's BS! She knew she was going to get a beating and set the camera up quick time before he came in. Even afterwards she is composed quite quickly. It appears to me that she played it up for effect, and more so knowing she had her father by balls at that point.

Personally I think there is a high degree of disfunction and breakdown in that family on all parties.
 
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I too am rather on the fence about spanking. I see that it can be done right with little harm to the child and a profound lesson learned and how (too easily) it can be done wrong. I can also see other alternatives like time out etc that can be used to acheive the same effect which to me makes me think why hurt the kid when option 2 works. Whether he was baited or not, this shows that the man has some mental issues to work out. And if this is the sort of punishment he issues to his own family... I'd hate to see what he will do to a thief or murderer. He is hardly in enough control of his emotions to do his job.
 
He is one tough guy taking on a 16 year old girl like that....
 
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Happened daily here when I was a kid..

I am sure it happens more than people admit/know. Stuff like this rarely hits the media ranks this one did.
 
I am sure it happens more than people admit/know. Stuff like this rarely hits the media ranks this one did.

Not saying I didn't deserve it.. But I got hit a fair bit when I was young. It was mostly just The Wooden Spoon..but there was the one time when I had a hand-welt on my face and couldn't go outside... :-)
 
Awyala, it is quite possible the cam was plugged in to power.

Ok forget battery life, how about memory or tape length? You think she ran this every day? I think she knew she had a beating coming and set up the cam to bait or sting him. And she kept it for several years and threatened to release it as she admits. Why threaten to release it if she feels he is guilty of a crime...just release it, no need to play games. Why not take it to the authorities? Why Youtube? She claims she couldn't leave at 16 and feared the reprocussions, which is a fair statement, but what other evidence does she have of an abussive father and if so, this is not an issue for Youtube or mass entertainment, comsumption, shame or blackmail. The way this daughter is handling this is a sign of a Povich-esque familiy fued. The mother's lame excuse of being "brain washed" or her vague defence of "sunstance abuse" in the household is weak as she a) tries to level all the blame at the father and b) wusses out completely on the issue of spanking at all in the media. To be honest I would have to say her spanking was reasonable, though she did next to nothing to calm the father. It would have been better for her to handle it as she was far more calm and collected and ended the spanking with 1 spank after a quick submission by the daughter. The mother should have told the father she would handle it and that he needed to calm down a bit and blah blah. But the mother in the interview seems to completely back down on the issue of spanking completely and is not clear on what she is apologizing for, then goes on to shift all the blame onto the father when questioned. This is a far more complex family issue than is being portayed here.

The daughter also goes on to defend piracy...which is odd. Though some people may dismiss it as not theft, the parents here took a correct stance on the matter, and seem to have warned the girl previously. I find it interesting the daughter even at this stage doesn't own up to her initial offence, which may have been a ongoing issue with the daughter. She seems to be playing this up as a media darling and I find her actions as disgusting as the father in her own right.

I wouldn't be surprised if they go Yankee-litigation style on one another like they are Lohans.
 
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Wow that was stomach churning and I happen to be for spankings. But at that age, a mind is able to comprehend other forms of discipline. Spanking is a very simplistic form of discipline reserved for simpler minds (and not excessive beating like this!), and in the case of corporal punishment for the case of extremely stubborn minds (which are simple in their own right). My father used to spank me but at age 15, when I expected it, he changed his tactic and was just disgusted with me, too disgusted with my offence and maturity to use spanking. Instead he switched to a rationale based approach. Psychologically I noticed it had a much more profound effect on me at an age when the mind can understand the loss of respect of a parent. And as I recall even by age 12, the spank was less on the back side and more of a slap across the face or head; not to hurt but shock and stun.....(like "homie dont play dat").

The other issue I find with this video is that the father is losing his damn cool, cussing, threatening to punch her, mounting her!!!! WTF!!! This is beyond punishment or discipline...this isn't a tactic with an end goal to mofify behavior for the better of the child...it is clearly a testosterone fueled male either flipping out or getting off and at a loss of sound tactic.

The mother achieves the result much better. 1 moderate spanking after getting the daughter to accept the punishment after ordering her maybe 3 or 4 times. Spanking is largely symbolic anyways, an act of kowtowing and obedience and submission. The father actually fails to submit the child and resorts to brute force which is completely uncalled for. The mother on the other hand submits the child with much less force or anger!

This judge showed a complete lack of judgement and strategy in dealing with a "rebelious" mind.

In the end the child suprisingly seems fine almost immediately after the lashing. As those of us who were spanked know....there comes a time when we can take the pain, and we play it up and fake the drama to give the parents the effect they are after. It is precisely at this point that the maturity of the mind no longer warrants or is effected in the same manner by reasonable physical punishment and a new tactic must be taken. After all, our bosses don't beat us, they fire us, then we are left to scramble in hard economic times to recover financially. A mature mind knows the outcome of loss of trust or respect of those who employ us.

If you have to whip a 16 year old with a belt over playing video games you have failed as a parent. Reserve that kind of extreme punishment after she stole your car and smashed into the neighbour's dog or something. What the hell does that guy have left in his discipline repetoire after that display....beating her unconcious?


That being said, the daughter is certainly playing a game now...she is taking some sort of revenge, and only exposing a small bias portion of what looks to be a family fued.

When I was a small child I went on the roof of my 3 storey house and a passer-by saw me, shreiked in fear and ran to my door to tell my grandfather who was home. He was an old school man, having been through 2 World Wars, and he beat me all the way down the 3 storeys. He demanded I return to the window on the roof, then spanked, slapped and pulled my ear all the way down. But what I noticed was that he took care not to have me stumble on the stairs. He was controlled. And he actually cried. At the ground floor he explained through his tears why he beat me, how he could never stand to see me die. He only beat me once...and it was a stern beating. But I would never ever ever hold that against him. In my memories it is actually one of the fondest memories I have. He really did get his correct loving point across and the impact was profound.

The judge in this video wasn't controlled and lacked care. But also the daughter was playing games and was clearly tech savvy. 7 years ago battery life on cameras wasn't as long as today, and she is full of **** to say that she set the camera up 30 mins before and "surprisingly" he came to beat her. Did she plan on running it for 24hrs every day in the hopes she might catch a beating? That's BS! She knew she was going to get a beating and set the camera up quick time before he came in. Even afterwards she is composed quite quickly. It appears to me that she played it up for effect, and more so knowing she had her father by balls at that point.

Personally I think there is a high degree of disfunction and breakdown in that family on all parties.

A few things that I would like to point out, your spanking was done when you were a child, not 16 years old. ( spanking is never a good thing,it like being slightly pregnant.) Her father lost control, your father did not and your father showed remorse the judge still thinks he is right.

As for how long the video camera batteries, even BETA cameras run with 110 volt adapters
 
oohhohoh hahaha... i bet a lot of parents now are scared of their kids releasing tapes...

and i wish i had a camera when i was stabbed with random things around the house.
 
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A few things that I would like to point out, your spanking was done when you were a child, not 16 years old. ( spanking is never a good thing,it like being slightly pregnant.) Her father lost control, your father did not and your father showed remorse the judge still thinks he is right.

As for how long the video camera batteries, even BETA cameras run with 110 volt adapters

Yep you're right. Which is why I said that at around that age, a psychological punishment is better and more effective. The 16 year mind is too mature for physical punishment and also the offence was quite minor to warrant even that level of frustration on the part of the parent. So you'll find I am in agreement with you. No parent likes to punish and SHOULDN'T like to punish. My spankings were always followed by a calm explanation as was the punishment themselves actually very calm. Even after the explanation there was always a de-escalation usually in the form of a firm hug or in the case of my grand father an emotional caring outpouring as he imagined and explained the consequences of falling off the roof to (I believe I was 8 at the time). My father also used to hug, say "now it's over. Smile and get the sour look off your face, the punishment is over and we are moving on". This return to normality often helped with the emotional resentment that can sometimes build up in a kid who hasn't yet processed the point of the punishment. My father also did this after other forms of punishments, like being grounded in my room, loss of TV priveledges, and so on. There are a whole host of tools used for discipline appropriate to the scale of the offence and awareness or intransigence of the offender.

On that note, as a judge he displayed complete lack of skills and control and awareness of his duty on so many levels and it is also surprising that he shows very little remorse. His explanation would have been passable from Trucker Joe in the trailer park, barely, but not from a respected and trusted member of upper echelon society.

However everyone shows a measure or remorse, except for the daughter which I find striking.
 
Not saying I didn't deserve it.. But I got hit a fair bit when I was young. It was mostly just The Wooden Spoon

A souvenir I inherited from my mother. She broke the handle when whacking me for something I did wrong. Being the frugal Scot that she was, she had my father sand down the broken shaft and continued to use it for cooking.

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I don't know how many spoons my mom broke on us. I prefer the spoon to the frying pan though;) We used to get beatings and we deserved it, of course we didn't think so at the time. I used to threaten my dad all the time saying I'd call the cops when he was beating my brother then I would get a beating. lol We all laugh about it now and I'm one tough cookie cause of it. My mom stopped the beatings when I was 12 cause I was bigger than her by that time and with my dad I still get beatings but we call it play fighting now. lol

EDIT: I finally got to see both videos. Sorry but I know for a fact that my parents would not lay a finger on me if I was not healthy. This girl has cerebral palsy, how can you beat a child with a physical disability...
A souvenir I inherited from my mother. She broke the handle when whacking me for something I did wrong. Being the frugal Scot that she was, she had my father sand down the broken shaft and continued to use it for cooking.

IMG_0232.jpg
 
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The belting isnt that disturbing for me, when I was a child and messed up my parents would skin a branch off the birch tree out front and Id get some nice licks from those....Belt, branch, wooden spoon, doesnt really matter I deserved it for the most part.....Getting caught steeling etc, never did that again, or at least never got caught again..lol

The commentary however is whack! The things both those parents say, and the fact they werent satisfied until they both got in good licks on her butt...Its just weird! Some of the things both the mother and father say are pretty disgusting...

"you turn over like a 16 year old and take it" "like a grown woman, trun over"........
 

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