wow.. i thought we would not have to count on that factor of shoddy workmanship, since i thought I moved to the developed world. I forgot this city was built by 'immigrants' like moi. hehe
Ill set my expectations a little lower next time.
=)
The Gardiner is falling, the Gardiner is falling...
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wow.. i thought we would not have to count on that factor of shoddy workmanship, since i thought I moved to the developed world. I forgot this city was built by 'immigrants' like moi. hehe
Ill set my expectations a little lower next time.
=)
ernyov
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Whoa .. Tyranny-onto it is. Brilliant and original. Name calling apart, you have to realize that all the three sprawling suburbs i mentioned do not have as as many offices and corporate power houses of downtown Toronto. Its just block after block of jumbo sized houses. So where do all those folks go to work ?
Gardiner is usually jammed coming into the city, not as bad westbound and out of the city on most days. Reverse is true in the afternoons.
This phenomenon is actually the bane of almost all big metropolises I have lived in. The suburbs sprout for cheap housing and the new homeowners have no incentive to find work closer to home and they settle for long commutes as long as there is a highway connecting them.
The businesses are hesitant to move out of the city core, or the village/town/city planning in the sub-urbs do not cleverly plan office spaces in proportion to the amount of residential density. Nor do they offer incentives to attract enough businesses. So, it will only be counter productive to move businesses out of the financial core.
I agree that not everyone who uses the Gardiner is from the suburbs, but what I had in mind is similar to the tolls used for cars entering the city core in London ( UK of course ). I think its common knowledge that most traffic snarl-ups happen due to the high volume of traffic flowing into the city and out of it to you know where.
[PS. nice ride Myztyk ]
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skip
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London also has amazing (relative to the TTC) public transit. I still have my oyster card when I go back.
Have you been on the 407 lately? It too has its tattered edges, places where the concrete road surface has had to be ground down to mitigate heaves, and places where the concrete is being repaired/replaced with asphalt.
No matter how good the materials and construction, all roads with climate extremes like ours will suffer degradation over time. The Gardiner has been up there for a long time, and the last serious underpinning rehabilitation work was done quite some time ago. It just looks like its time for more.
Whoa .. Tyranny-onto it is. Brilliant and original. Name calling apart, you have to realize that all the three sprawling suburbs i mentioned do not have as as many offices and corporate power houses of downtown Toronto. Its just block after block of jumbo sized houses. So where do all those folks go to work ?
Gardiner is usually jammed coming into the city, not as bad westbound and out of the city on most days. Reverse is true in the afternoons.
This phenomenon is actually the bane of almost all big metropolises I have lived in. The suburbs sprout for cheap housing and the new homeowners have no incentive to find work closer to home and they settle for long commutes as long as there is a highway connecting them.
The businesses are hesitant to move out of the city core, or the village/town/city planning in the sub-urbs do not cleverly plan office spaces in proportion to the amount of residential density. Nor do they offer incentives to attract enough businesses. So, it will only be counter productive to move businesses out of the financial core.
I agree that not everyone who uses the Gardiner is from the suburbs, but what I had in mind is similar to the tolls used for cars entering the city core in London ( UK of course ). I think its common knowledge that most traffic snarl-ups happen due to the high volume of traffic flowing into the city and out of it to you know where.
[PS. nice ride Myztyk ]
Almost as brilliant as Misery-sauga...don't ya think? Try moving a tree in your city and you'll understand where the name comes from. But I digress.
Actually, outside of the financial and advertising sectors, very few major corporations continue to hold their offices in Toronto. Employee commuting times and cost to operate buildings down there just don't make sense anymore. No doubt there are hold outs: Lever at Y&B, CT at Y&E, P&G at Y&401, Rogers at B&C, to name a few.
Mississauga has done a brilliant job of attracting corporations through tax-advantaged commercial parks. Hell, by looking out my window I can see: RIM, Nissan, General Mills, Kellogg's, Mercedes-Benz, Pepsi-QTG and if I stretch a little further I can see Bell from here as well. That's not even mentioning the commercial park near Erin Mills 401: Walmart, DOW are two that come to mind quickly.
While I don't commute the Gardiner anymore I have a couple of colleagues who come from the core to work at the same place I do. Their "reverse-commute" is exactly the same as my girlfriend's drive downtown everyday...and she's traveling farther than they are. When I used to drive across the Gardiner when I was in sales...it sucked both ways when I drove through in the morning. I'd be surprised if it's gone down since then.
Taxing the Gardiner isn't going to solve anything but piss people off.
Oh Christ that area is going to be a mess if they start doing any kind of construction there. Remind me not to ride into work when they start this project....
Thats gonna be an expensive project... knowing the water table issues that have come up on some downtown projects I have worked on.... I would hate to be the engineer....
You mean we haven't learned how to tunnel through quicksand yet?
A lot of the area between Front St and the lakeshore is fill and construction rubble.
whoever voted for harper, punch yourself in the face right now. lol
People love that pirate thief, he's the best con man around.
Here's how he spent the money we need to fix the Gardiner.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/rcmp-looki...rounding-harper-governments-g8-180451984.html
troll some more
They will take there sweet time repairing it, and they'll do the shittiest job cutting corners and proper tools to do it. They have been rebuilding 3 different roads around my house here for the last 2 years. Soon as they are finished, the roads are in ******** condition then when they started. Bumps, cracks, foot prints in the concrete, then they just tear it all up a month later and try again. Is it seriously that hard to fix a road ?
Comes down to lack of vision by previous city councils. There WAS open land beside the Gardiner from the DVP to Jarvis and again from Spadina to where it goes level (~CNE). This land was open 10 years ago (and even less) and could have been used to build a parallel level section of highway and the elevated sections in these areas could have been removed. Then we would only have to deal with the elevated portion between Spadina and Jarvis (much shorter tunnel).
Instead we have a wall of condos beside the highway along these sections meaning now it needs to be addressed from the CNE all the way to the DVP! Boxed ourselves in.
Instead we have a wall of condos beside the highway along these sections meaning now it needs to be addressed from the CNE all the way to the DVP! Boxed ourselves in.
Nice try, the Gardiner has been falling apart long before Harper was in power, the Federal Liberals did not anti-up to fix it either back then. Of course Dalton is not on the provincial level either. Miller was not even smart enough to get fed money to fix it when they were offering it up (infrastructure spending). You can't blame Harper for everything, specially when his predecessor did nothing to fix the problem that was already existing and all the other goobers at the other levels of Government did nothing but complain.
Next we will be saying this is Rob Ford's fault, it was in perfect shape before he became mayor!
skip
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Its actually infill, rubble, lost of cinders and ash with a splash of creosote (which gives a nice back goo layer), some nice lake bottom slit and clay before you hit rock. Its not horrid to be an engineer down there actually.
