Temporary HOV lanes

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ZX600 said:
How do you figure that?
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Because City Council does not have jurisdiction over Provincial Highways, including 400 series highways. The DVP and Gardiner are actually in the City's jurisdiction, but not the QEW.
 
I know, I was the one that found the post above in a previous thread, but according to the Agenda Item History, City council approved motorcycles everywhere, unless I am reading this wrong.
I82l8 said:
See the post right above yours ;)
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OK that makes sense, but how do they manage to create HOV lanes on the 401 if they don't have jurisdiction over it?

I am grasping here because it would be sweet if we could ride the HOV lanes on the 401 to work :(


Face said:
Because City Council does not have jurisdiction over Provincial Highways, including 400 series highways. The DVP and Gardiner are actually in the City's jurisdiction, but not the QEW.
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ZX600 said:
I know, I was the one that found the post above in a previous thread, but according to Agenda Item History, City council approved motorcycles everywhere, unless I am reading this wrong.
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You are reading it wrong because it only applies to what's listed in Appendix 2 and Appendix 3 in the original recommendations which do not list any highways. For everyone quoting me saying it doesn't apply to 400 highways - what do you think surface routes means? Not highways.
 
I was about to google that, thanks for the clarification.
espro said:
You are reading it wrong because it only applies to what's listed in Appendix 2 and Appendix 3 in the original recommendations which do not list any highways. For everyone quoting me saying it doesn't apply to 400 highways - what do you think surface routes means? Not highways.
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But even then, does this mean Lakeshore blvd is provincial jurisdiction? Because they're adding a section near exhibition that'll be HOV as well...but if i can get my bike in HOV it'll be very convenient. But then i don't seem to be able to find it under the appendices.
 
LePhillou said:
But even then, does this mean Lakeshore blvd is provincial jurisdiction? Because they're adding a section near exhibition that'll be HOV as well...but if i can get my bike in HOV it'll be very convenient. But then i don't seem to be able to find it under the appendices.
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Appendix link is http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2015/cc/bgrd/backgroundfile-78679.pdf

From my understanding, motorcycles are allowed in the HOV lanes on the
DVP (south of 404-401 interchange up to where it ends/beings near lakeshore ramp)
Gardiner (begins/ends east-end of Gardiner to just east of 427, where Gardiner swtiches to QEW)
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Face said:
Good find, so motorcycles are allowed on temporary HOV lanes on city roads, but not on Provincial highways.

http://www.ontario.ca/travel-and-re...n-am-games-transit-driving-and-traffic-routes
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reading that link, the sign that they show the temp lanes, indicate a car or bus. No motorcycle .

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Also, we have another thread here.. http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?191190-pan-am-HOV talking about this too..


If would be nice to get this sorted out.. I plan to use the DVP/QEW/401 in July with my motorcycle.. who's going to be the guinea pig?
 
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kiwi said:
reading that link, the sign that they show the temp lanes, indicate a car or bus. No motorcycle .

hov-sign-1-bilingual.png


Also, we have another thread here.. http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?191190-pan-am-HOV talking about this too..


If would be nice to get this sorted out.. I plan to use the DVP/QEW/401 in July with my motorcycle.. who's going to be the guinea pig?
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I'm pretty sure my deduction is correct.. given that's actually what is referenced in the city council items. you'd be fine on the DVP and gardiner; but just remember to hop out of the lanes when Gardiner switches over to QEW.... unfortunately 401 we're sol
 
iFly55 said:
The municipal HOV lanes do not carry demerit points, they're just by-law tickets. Only HOV lanes on the King's Highways carry the points and higher fines.

The city HOV lanes, do not show up on your driver's abstract and won't affect your insurance. Generally, Toronto Police will not waste their time on non-HTA charges. It's the equivalent of a parking ticket, and drivers have excuses "well, I was going to make a right turn... and was looking for street X, and continued driving".

Of course, if you were dinged $35 every time you went down the city HOV lanes... that would be a deterrent as well. Similar to parking enforcement.

I've used the 404 HOV lanes in the past, and I've only seen enforcement in the 404S to 401W collector tunnel; where drivers slow down for the tunnel curve, OPP & TPS wave drivers down by stepping out into the live lane.


ONTARIO REGULATION 620/05 - HIGH OCCUPANCY VEHICLE LANES

http://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/050620
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I've seen police hide at the corner of Bay and Richmond to catch cheating southbound diamond-lane travellers (you come around the bend at queen and bam.)
I've also seen afternoon rush hour enforcement on the northbound 404 diamond lane - average every other week. Saw them staking out the southbound 404 last week and previous week. I've heard that the diamond lane tunnel from 404 south to 401 is a favorite of theirs.
 
rc0372 said:
Appendix link is http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2015/cc/bgrd/backgroundfile-78679.pdf

From my understanding, motorcycles are allowed in the HOV lanes on the
DVP (south of 404-401 interchange up to where it ends/beings near lakeshore ramp)
Gardiner (begins/ends east-end of Gardiner to just east of 427, where Gardiner swtiches to QEW)
Lakeshore Blvd W
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That Appendix is different from the one on another file I had looked at. It didn't make sense to me since it was all about removing left turns and that sort of thing. Looks like those are the correct Appendix and seems to confirm that DVP/Gardiner will allow motorcycles on the HOV!
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