I don’t think I’d feel comfortable blowing by traffic doing100+ kph….enough idiots jump into that lane nowadays without looking and seeinga car let alone a motorcycle. Imagine going at that speed and someone jumps outdue to impatience…can’t end well. If there was a physical barrier, sure then I’dbe all in, but the way it is now and how many close calls and accidents I’veseen…pass.
Temporary HOV lanes
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I don’t think I’d feel comfortable blowing by traffic doing100+ kph….enough idiots jump into that lane nowadays without looking and seeinga car let alone a motorcycle. Imagine going at that speed and someone jumps outdue to impatience…can’t end well. If there was a physical barrier, sure then I’dbe all in, but the way it is now and how many close calls and accidents I’veseen…pass.
We need to be more innovative by combining totally different events. Like a G-20 summit and MMA.
Red_Liner740
Well-known member
Wait, now only will they make bad congestion worse by taking away normal lanes for these HOV lanes but the requirement now is 3 plus people?! It was obvious that 2 ppl was difficult as the HOV lane wasnt used as much, so lets up the ante?
Sure cuz "alternate" transport TTC isnt having its wheels fall of as it is.
Major metropolis with 3rd country public transportation and road inrastructure for a 1 mil population city. Honestly, best thing i did was move out of that ********.
seriously? You know what? Its gotten so stupid to the point of hilarity.
My "traffic jam" consiste of people doing the speed limit on 80kmh roads, you can keep Toronto.
Sure cuz "alternate" transport TTC isnt having its wheels fall of as it is.
Major metropolis with 3rd country public transportation and road inrastructure for a 1 mil population city. Honestly, best thing i did was move out of that ********.
seriously? You know what? Its gotten so stupid to the point of hilarity.
My "traffic jam" consiste of people doing the speed limit on 80kmh roads, you can keep Toronto.
yet another reason this city is a joke...
Lets **** up traffic for a month by removing a full lane of highway for the 6 people that will use it, and let's tear down the gardner and **** up flow through the city getting east to west forever, and let's also shut down the subway system ever weekend for maintenance and **** up flow through the city.
Don't want to deal with traffic; hey just take the GO train so not only can you make car / bike payments, pay exorbitant Ontario insurance rates but now you can also pay to take the GO. Or, you can work reduced hours as the radio commercial suggests so that you don't need to be stuck in all the congestion.
Great plan Toronto...
Lets **** up traffic for a month by removing a full lane of highway for the 6 people that will use it, and let's tear down the gardner and **** up flow through the city getting east to west forever, and let's also shut down the subway system ever weekend for maintenance and **** up flow through the city.
Don't want to deal with traffic; hey just take the GO train so not only can you make car / bike payments, pay exorbitant Ontario insurance rates but now you can also pay to take the GO. Or, you can work reduced hours as the radio commercial suggests so that you don't need to be stuck in all the congestion.
Great plan Toronto...
What kills me, they keep telling the locals to avoid rush hour traffic during the games, you know when we have to get to and from work.
Why don't they just shift the start and stop time of the events (as much as possible) to reduce the impact on rush hour traffic?
Why don't they just shift the start and stop time of the events (as much as possible) to reduce the impact on rush hour traffic?
If you know a maintenance free subway system I'm sure the TTC would love to hear all about it and your expertise.
Regarding the Gardiner east portion it effects 3% of commuters (5,500) increasing commutes by 3-5 mins as per the traffic study. Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
Bravo to you sir. please enlighten us further with your wisdom.
Never claimed to be an expert on the TTC but then again it doesn't take an expert to see the news every weekend reporting yet another closure.
what's wrong with doing routine subway maintenance during overnight hours when the system is offline?
why inconvenience, and cripple a city every weekend when the same city is preaching to use public transit to relieve the additional congestion caused by road closures and proposed tear down...
have you attempted to drive the gardner during rush hour, or any hour of the day to get from the east to the west? Do you enjoy sitting in gridlock wasting your time / gas?
get ready then for a whole lot more fun once they tear it down with no other proposed viable option to absorb the traffic flow other than surface streets that will in turn just plug up the downtown core even further than it already is.
Yes I drive quite often on the eastern portion of the Gardiner during rush hour and its never bumper to bumper. The western portions are much busier but that isn't what is being discussed to tear down. The eastern portion serves 3% of commuters and spending the kind of money on the hybrid option doesn't serve the majority of people in any meaningful way. This is just like the 3 stop Scarborough subway which serves very few people compared to the fully funded LRT option but of course now Toronto will be paying the idea for many years to come. Why not tack some more money on your taxes to rebuild an outdated highway to serve 3% of commuters.
Perhaps you should read about the plan a little more if you feel there is no proposed viable option you haven't read the remove plan. Modern cities are removing elevated highways that were built in the 1950s. City Planning staff even said yesterday in council that if the Gardiner didn't exist it would never be built today as its a terrible design and use of space.
Looks like the way council is debating (yes I follow city council) the Hybrid option will be the one that gets approval but we will see.
Here is a similar case study in San Francisco
https://vimeo.com/11910299
ashkan
Banned
Im sure those of you travelling on Gardiner, Lakeshore going East bound towards downtown enjoyed the benefits of these lanes. It took me an EXTRA 40 minutes (on toop of the usual 45) to get to downtown from Mississauga!
This is going to be hell!!!
I never got the point of HOV lanes. 3-4 other lanes suffer every single day so a few can drive by laughing at the rest of us!
What a bunch of bull!!
This is going to be hell!!!
I never got the point of HOV lanes. 3-4 other lanes suffer every single day so a few can drive by laughing at the rest of us!
What a bunch of bull!!
eljay
Well-known member
It's a money maker, for some people: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...an-am-games-will-split-5-7-million-in-bonuses
Face
Well-known member
Don't confuse traffic studies with facts. Adjust a variable here and there and numbers can change significantly. Where was the counter set? West of the Richmond & Jarvis ramps where the number is lowest? When ever you look at a study, you also need to look at the agenda behind those who did or commissioned it, and there certainly is a "remove the Gardiner" agenda at the City.
Studies also need to be viewed in a broader context. The "remove option takes all the am peak direction traffic on the DVP south of Bloor and directs it to lights at Lake Shore, or (combined with traffic from Lake Shore to the east) to lights on the new "boulevard" east of Cherry Street. The Richmond ramp is gone, so traffic from the north (DVP) and east need to find new ways to filter up into the core. The Adelaide ramp is also gone, so good luck leaving the core towards the north & east in the pm peak. 3 lanes of am peak traffic from the west are now going to end at a light at Jarvis. It appears that the City has not learned from the Allen Expressway experience, and wants to create a super version of it 2 more times at the core of the City. Doesn't the definition of insanity say something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?
And don't count on transit to improve the situation. The MetroLinx proposal doesn't even keep up with projected growth and results in slightly increased commute times, even if everything is implemented. And Tory's Smart Track hasn't been through that level of analysis.
The Urban Design arguments don't fly either. An 8-lane fully congested road with 3 signalized intersections isn't easier to cross to connect the City to its waterfront than going under the elevated hybrid option. Nor does it create a more desirable street environment.
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It's time we start digging....
It's good that rush hour lasts from 6:00am to 8:00pm.
