Teksavvy may be handing over personal information from downloaders.....
- Thread starter jeffjones
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+1, yet 2000+ Teksavvy IP's were sharing them. It sucks to get demand letters, it sucks even more if you get a demand letter for a movie nobody has ever heard of.
Shaman
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They've rolled over.
http://torrentfreak.com/canadian-is...to-oppose-bittorrent-copyright-trolls-121218/
Welcome to 1984.
http://torrentfreak.com/canadian-is...to-oppose-bittorrent-copyright-trolls-121218/
Welcome to 1984.
Motorcycle Mike
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The only one I have watched is Tucker and Dale Vs Evil... which was silly. I wonder if I will get a letter because of it?
I haven't read into this new copyright bill, but isn't the fine range from $100 to $5000?
Considering that fine range, wouldn't the best thing to do for these 2000 people is ignore the letter and see if the company takes them to court? After all, wouldn't taking 2000 people to court not only help to jam up the court system, but also likely cost them more than $5000 per case in legal fees. Even if you defended yourself and failed miserably you could probably still plead with the judge for a reduced fine, and it would be unlikely to get the maximum fine for first offence anyway, right?
I haven't read into this new copyright bill, but isn't the fine range from $100 to $5000?
Considering that fine range, wouldn't the best thing to do for these 2000 people is ignore the letter and see if the company takes them to court? After all, wouldn't taking 2000 people to court not only help to jam up the court system, but also likely cost them more than $5000 per case in legal fees. Even if you defended yourself and failed miserably you could probably still plead with the judge for a reduced fine, and it would be unlikely to get the maximum fine for first offence anyway, right?
They are also going after $10,000 in punitive damages from each IP address. That seems to go around the intent of Bill C-11 so we will see how that plays out.
My money is on 2000 demand letters for a few thousand dollars each (especially if they leave in the punitive damages comment, pay $2000 now or we will take you to court and go after $15,000). It's like spam, if even 1% pay, you are ahead, my guess is you would get 25% or better paying as $15,000 really hurts and talking to a lawyer would get you to $2000 really quickly.
Splash
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If you ignore the letter then you automatically lose in court... and yes it has happened many times.
Splash
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Really? So what is Bell and Rogers doing about it?
They didn't roll over, it's not their fight. Teksavvy didn't get sued or charged with anything.
This article sure makes it sound like they rolled over. It's been adjourned until January so things could change but, as of now, Teksavvy is basically saying "ok, we'll hand subscriber info over to you even though we don't have to".
Splash
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well, I'm at work right now so I can't read the TorrentFreak article... but here's the press release.
http://www.teksavvy.com/en/why-teks...leases/2012-press-releases/december-18th-2012
That press release basically says the same thing but omits a quote from Teksavvy who have said that they will not fight the motion that Voltage has made to obtain the IPs.
I'm weak on legalese, but from what I gather they're just going to let the courts decide if the motion from Voltage has merit or not. As it stands, they still aren't obligated to provide any customer information, so they won't.
The very important fact, which none of the main stream sources mention is the fact that the only reason the judge granted a delay in hearing (which Voltage vehemently opposed for an obvious reason) is, simply CIPPIC's letter submitted to the court ... read here ... http://www.cippic.ca/en/node/129270
The speculation is, that this could be simply a reason why TSI "rolled over" so to speak .... CIPPIC has a much better legal ammunition than TSI could ever put together.
We will see in January where this goes. Will be interesting to watch.
The speculation is, that this could be simply a reason why TSI "rolled over" so to speak .... CIPPIC has a much better legal ammunition than TSI could ever put together.
We will see in January where this goes. Will be interesting to watch.
It remains to be seen for now, what exactly their role will be and in what form ... but it's encouraging to see that the court was willing to listen to their experience and opinion in such matters, instead of just give a way to Voltage's ridiculous 6 day lead time between notices and the date they required to get the data from TSI.
