Sydney Australia Hostage Situation

So it stands to reason that if an island nation with tough gun control can't stop illegal guns from falling in the wrong hands, how would gun control in Canada work as we share a land border with one of the most armed counties in the world?

Does that stand to reason? Does it?

Shooting in America today, 5 dead, not even a top headline. Yet a hostage situation in Oz, and the world is watching.

I don't know how you reason things, but the above illustrates to me that gun control has done something in Australia
 
Shooting in America today, 5 dead, not even a top headline. Yet a hostage situation in Oz, and the world is watching.
I don't know how you reason things, but the above illustrates to me that gun control has done something in Australia

It's the same deal with Canada.
A close friend of mine in Seattle tells me about stuff happening here in Canada before I even know it at times - as soon as there's any sort of gun nastiness here, it's sensationalized in the USA, simply to try to bring Canada down a peg or two. Unfortunately, pretty much ALL of the gun violence that happens in Canada in the span of year is about the same as a single day's worth in cities like Chicago, Detroit, L.A. or Baltimore.

Our gun control laws do a relatively good job, just like the ones in Australia.
 
Ouch, the raid didn't go entirely smoothly. Although maybe the hostages were already dead before the raid and the only raid injury was the cop, time will tell.

from cbc.ca

The dead include two hostages and the 50-year-old gunman, police said at a news conference held early Tuesday morning (local time).

Four others were injured, police said at a news conference after the siege ended. The injured include a police officer who was shot in the face.

The victims were a 34-year-old man and a 38-year-old woman.
Five people were taken to hospital for various injuries.
Police say they acted after hearing a number of gunshots from inside the cafe.
 
So much speculation. Yes, there is tough gun control in NZ and Australia, but guns are accessible. Rifles and Shotguns are used a lot for crimes in both countries.

reading the news press.. I see it was reported a police officer being treated for shotgun pellet injury..

"Three confirmed dead in Sydney siege

Fairfax Media can confirm that three people are dead following the siege in Sydney's Martin Place.


The gunman, Man Haron Monis, was pronouced dead after being taken to hospital, reports Nick Ralston.


Another man, aged 34, and a woman, aged 38, were pronounced dead also after being taken to hospital.


A total of four injured people have been taken to hospital, while another person was taken to hospital as a precaution.


Those taken to hospital are:


Two women with non life-threatening injuries.
Another woman was taken to hospital with a gunshot wound to her shoulder,
A male police officer , who suffered a non life-threatening wound to his face from gunshot pellets.
And a 35-year-old woman was taken to hospital as a precaution."

Mind you, the police maybe have been using shotguns too.. though I doubt it..
 
a) illegal gun. military use only.
b) my bet is, smuggled.

My bet.. it was a Rifle or shotgun. Everyone is assuming a handgun.

Growing up there, I never saw a handgun in NZ except when I went to the US Embassy for a VISA .. and when I went to NSW, Aust I saw police carrying guns. Quite a shocker when you've spend nearly 25 years and never seen one "live". Here I walk past cops and bank security daily with guns.. as thats the norm here.
 
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Does that stand to reason? Does it?

Shooting in America today, 5 dead, not even a top headline. Yet a hostage situation in Oz, and the world is watching.

I don't know how you reason things, but the above illustrates to me that gun control has done something in Australia
I'd hazard a guess & say the reason this makes international news is because of an extremist involved
 
My bet.. it was a Rifle or shotgun. Everyone is assuming a handgun.

I had CNN on for a minute. Amongst the **** that was falling out of Blitzer's mouth, was mention of an illeagal military rifle.
 
I'd hazard a guess & say the reason this makes international news is because of an extremist involved

[Captain Obvious]

There's also the non-negligible fact that a hostage crisis is an ongoing situation. A shooting is a fleeting thing.

[/Captain Obvious]
 
I had CNN on for a minute. Amongst the **** that was falling out of Blitzer's mouth, was mention of an illeagal military rifle.


from the The Associated Press

"The gunman could be seen pacing back and forth past the cafes windows. Reporter Chris Reason said the man carried what appeared to be a pump-action shotgun, was unshaven and wore a white shirt and a black cap."

I really would have been surprised if it was a handgun - just not very "common" down there.

ps - I turned on CNN earlier.. then turned it off. US news casts are so bad.
 
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Unfortunately, pretty much ALL of the gun violence that happens in Canada in the span of year is about the same as a single day's worth in cities like Chicago, Detroit, L.A. or Baltimore.

Chicago doesn't bother updating reports during the weekends, they just broadcast monday morning with a weekend total (normally ~20/weekend). Craziness.
 
I had CNN on for a minute. Amongst the **** that was falling out of Blitzer's mouth, was mention of an illeagal military rifle.

CP24 is just as bad. They are trying to copy the american news model... really bad. Every 5 minutes they repeat the same **** as breaking news. They gravitate around one aspect and analyse the crap out of it when it's not needed. They speculate and call experts on but it's really really stupid. I just need to know what's going on at the situation.
 
Chicago doesn't bother updating reports during the weekends, they just broadcast monday morning with a weekend total (normally ~20/weekend). Craziness.

And Chicago has the legacy of some REAL tight gun control measures that only recently got repealed in a constitutional challenge. Doesn't surprise me and I don't think that legal carry will affect the overall homicide rates (as it's mostly gangbanger on gangbanger violence and those guys carry whether it's legal or not) but it will save a lot of law-abiding citizens from violent attacks. Here are some numbers:
-I can draw from a race rig and fire a gun, hitting a torso-sized target 5m away in 0.7s.
-A concealed carry rig may add another 0.5s to that
-Add another 1s to account for a person that's better trained than your typical cop, but still not a regular competitive shooter (and I'm not all that good, btw lol), that gets us up to about 2s
-Every subsequent round takes me about 0.2s, probably about 0.3s for someone who trains indifferently and shoots a lighter gun than my nutcracker (law of inertia says a lighter gun moves more so it takes longer to reacquire the sight picture)

Even if a single CC holder, trained by the low police standards saw the attacker's back, he would have been able to get a couple of rounds in him before he even began to turn around. Now, this piece of wacko-terrorist scum was pacing back and forth and there were plenty of opportunities for anyone who would have been carrying to turn him into Swiss cheese. That's why such an attack would not work where concealed carry is common, unless it's in a gun-free zone (which every terrorist and spree killer obeys and checks his gun at the door :rolleyes:)
 
One report I saw today stated that the doooche nodded off, that's when people started to run out the door, 5 or 6 I believe, the noise woke him and he started shooting, that's when the cops when in.

I'm not a gun guy, but I have to say someone with skills and a weapon could have saved some lives in this situation.
 
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Remember the news flash?

A news flash was what happened when something large and terrible occurred in the world. Large enough and terrible enough that it couldn't wait until the next scheduled bulletin. A producer, an editor, somebody somewhere decided that whatever was happening was way more important than Humphrey B. Bear or Days of Our Lives, and they interrupted whatever you were listening to or watching to bring you the news.

And then you went back to Humphrey, because two or three minutes was always enough time to let you know the facts and maybe layer on a reaction comment from the relevant authorities.

We need the news flash back.

What we don't need next time some unhinged loon like Man Haron Monis takes hostages is the never ending **** show of rolling coverage across every available electronic channel. A maddy and grub like that, what do you think they most want in the world?

They want the world to pay attention. And that's exactly what Monis got yesterday. The attention of tens of millions of people focussed almost solely on him until the moment it all came apart in gunfire.

Two poor innocent people, who just wanted a damn piece of chocolate, are dead, their last day a horror. Dozens of others will carry the psychological injuries through the rest of their lives, some of them with serious physical wounds. The wounding will continue over the days and weeks as the worst of us get our hate on and more innocents are targeted; this time by bigots and fools, some of them simply racist trolls toiling away in the sewers of the internet, some of them running newspapers and talkback radio programs.

The special edition of yesterday's Daily Telegraph was probably the low point in the full spectrum media coverage of Monis's crime. It was wrong on every count.

But if that was the definitive low point, there were many contenders. Some driven by malice. Most caused by the need to fill up dead air space or to beat the competition in the race for clicks and eyeballs. We at Fairfax were not immune. The ABC allowed one idiot talking-head after another to sprout dangerous garbage all over their 24 hour news service while many media outlets updated police tactical movements around the site of the siege. It took pleas by the police, the establishment of the exclusion zone and some determined social media shaming to cut off that information flow to Monis.

And all that was needed was a news flash. Even a two minute update every hour would have exhausted the news content of this slow moving story. Admittedly this would have given Monis some of the exposure he craved, but much less than he actually received. It might also have taken the heat out of the worst of the social media reaction, which at times seemed like a megaphone specifically designed for morons.

The rolling coverage made it all worse. If Monis had actually been a trained jihadi, and not just a murderous arse clown with mental health issues and a gun, the media coverage could easily have contributed to the death of more hostages as part of an ISIS media plan. Some protocols to avoid this in future events – because they will happen – would be prudent. But unlikely.

On the upside, the authorities, all of them, federal, state and city, elected and public service, all seemed to carry out their duties with exemplary care and competence. Their performance and the better angels of our nature evident in the hashtag #Illridewithyou are the only positives to take away from this.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/com...of-sydney-siege-shameful-20141216-127wa6.html
 
My bet.. it was a Rifle or shotgun. Everyone is assuming a handgun.

Growing up there, I never saw a handgun in NZ except when I went to the US Embassy for a VISA .. and when I went to NSW, Aust I saw police carrying guns. Quite a shocker when you've spend nearly 25 years and never seen one "live". Here I walk past cops and bank security daily with guns.. as thats the norm here.

I was pretty shocked when I went to Hong Kong as a kid and saw the police walking around with sub-machine guns in the airport. MP5 maybe.
 
I was pretty shocked when I went to Hong Kong as a kid and saw the police walking around with sub-machine guns in the airport. MP5 maybe.

Possible.. I know they have them but not sure which depts they're issued to. Pretty solid platform for urban police work.
 
I was pretty shocked when I went to Hong Kong as a kid and saw the police walking around with sub-machine guns in the airport. MP5 maybe.

If you want a bigger culture shock, go to Israel. Military going to/from their shifts walk around with assault rifles like it's nothing. Very odd experience riding a bus with a military officer with what looks like an AK-47 slung over their back reading the paper.
 
I was pretty shocked when I went to Hong Kong as a kid and saw the police walking around with sub-machine guns in the airport. MP5 maybe.

Does it look like this?
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It will be replaced with the MP7. MP5 has been in service for almost 50 yrs
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