End user being?
As far as I can tell; if we went to an OEM and asked for a price increase they would tell us to take a hike.
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Supply Chain Is Hooped
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As far as I can tell; if we went to an OEM and asked for a price increase they would tell us to take a hike.
So is there going to be a point where contracts are awarded and supplies are not available to complete the work?
I think his stuff has less long-term contracts on the sales side so when it lands, the sales price includes this mess. You have both sides reasonably locked in for quite a while.
My industry is awash with force majeure letters.
Ditto
OEM manufacturing clients , transportation , cabinetry manufacture , elevator cars , all wood related panel product and commodity based. We dont do a contract supply with anybody beyond three months now and with smaller purchasers the price can change daily .
On containers coming out of Russia I cant actually give you a price for the material until its landed in my yard. Montreal throws a strike and i ship overland out of New Jersey, or the Original Occupants of what we call Canada , block the rail lines and I'm trucking for 1000's of kms. Canada's lame-ass politics is as bad as the pandemic
How does the end user know what they'e going to pay when everything is "Price in effect at time of shipping" or is it upon arrival?
2X4 was $4.00, went to $12.00 and is back to $4.58. Joe and Mary want to buy a house and furniture but prices are going up 20% a year and the both work contract. Covid affects their work hours.
Neighbours just got their new furniture, ordered in February.
Perhaps a short term blanket order/net P.O. with an agreement in place to revisit the piece price if the transportation or market costs exceed x%
Mad Mike
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I have a can in that mess. Had one in Ningbo 2 weeks ago that just left.
We are seeing small delays, 2-3 weeks, but nothing crazy. Last FCL cost us $10k, $1500 of that was storage at port while it was closed.
We are in the throes of switching some production back here. Local material costs are going nuts. We make marine bushings that sell for $40 each that we import (China is way more efficient at recycling, so their material costs are lower). Cant get them out of China as they ship LCL. I just about **** when our brass supplier quoted us $18/lb, up from $4. We need 4lbs to make one bushing. Do the math.
indeed.
as i recall you also deal with steel, for the past 6 months the mills around here are just...epic fail.
Damn. I have a 35 lb chunk of bronze in the garage for potential future projects. It is decently machined with lots of bronze nuts/bolts and ~2" threaded clamping collar. Just checked the scrap price to see if it was worth moving on. Scrap price is still crap.
Our contractor used force majeure to walk from a $500M contract. That was fun.
Mad Mike
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That’s why I have to buy from China. To make a 2.25x2.5 bush with a 1” bore I need 2.75” of 2.5” bar. 4.15 lbs of brass at $10/lb my cost on materials is about $40. Then I have to machine it. After machining, the part weighs 2lbs. I get $1.25lb for clean scrap brass.Damn. I have a 35 lb chunk of bronze in the garage for potential future projects. It is decently machined with lots of bronze nuts/bolts and ~2" threaded clamping collar. Just checked the scrap price to see if it was worth moving on. Scrap price is still crap.
When I buy machined brass from China, I pay $4/lb on the finished item. So make it in Canada for $41.50 material and $5 machining or $8/pc plus shipping from CN.
Mad Mike
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Yup. We hedged on steel in the spring. Our suppliers try to buy our stash at 40% over what we paid. Stainless too, 304 is stupid right now. Brass and Bronze are out of this world.
Out material cost has doubled in 12 mos. materials are 30% of our costs so to maintain margins we have increased prices 15% this year
In January we will face annual reviews. I’m anticipating 15% wage increases this year, that’s going to raise prices or kill jobs.
Mad Mike
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I bought bronze last week $22/lb @ 2000 lbs.Damn. I have a 35 lb chunk of bronze in the garage for potential future projects. It is decently machined with lots of bronze nuts/bolts and ~2" threaded clamping collar. Just checked the scrap price to see if it was worth moving on. Scrap price is still crap.
Clean scrap is $4/lb.
@madmike, havent got any 7/8ID x 4 1/2 " bronze cutlass bearings laying around do you ??
Had a beer with brother last night , he's being quoted 22K to move containers out of China as of yesterday, his problem is machinery is built and boxed an the factories have no place to stack it. The option is put it in a can and suck it up, or loose all credibility with the manuf and all future orders go to the ' when we feel like it ' pile.
Tough position for anyone importing.
I'm being ask to quote lumber and panels for next March. The only fair answer is who the f knows.
Had a beer with brother last night , he's being quoted 22K to move containers out of China as of yesterday, his problem is machinery is built and boxed an the factories have no place to stack it. The option is put it in a can and suck it up, or loose all credibility with the manuf and all future orders go to the ' when we feel like it ' pile.
Tough position for anyone importing.
I'm being ask to quote lumber and panels for next March. The only fair answer is who the f knows.
Damn. I have a 35 lb chunk of bronze in the garage for potential future projects. It is decently machined with lots of bronze nuts/bolts and ~2" threaded clamping collar. Just checked the scrap price to see if it was worth moving on. Scrap price is still crap.
sell it to Mike for a profit!
One of our customers keeps asking for pricing for 2 years and gets mad at every price increase. Keep telling them I have no idea what things will cost tomorrow how can I quote you.
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