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something new?

yeah, but this is about bikes. the west has its own skeletons in the closet lol

looks to me like they copied the kawi 400 with an improved and strengthened tranny! lol. my bad. but that would be good bike.. how many you want?
 
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Wingboy said:
Shouldn't be a surprise.
Two Michaels.
Death penalty to drug traffickers.
Yugher genocide.
Forced sterilization.
Etc.
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do you want a list of atrocities sanctioned by india / japan / many european countries that make bikes too?? or does it only matter when its in the current news?

and its hilarious that people get mad about specific things made in china and yet have no problem rocking iphones and literally every other component made in china.
 
我认为，由于过去 10 年发生的许多事情，我们都对中国感到担忧。 这是一个缓慢的过程，但很明显，中国正朝着成为东方主导力量的方向前进，并将在 10 到 15 年内成为不可忽视的世界强国。
 
PrivatePilot said:
People are increasingly, myself included, making efforts to distance ourselves from made in China garbage.

Complacency is the problem.
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Complacency is only part of the problem. The larger issue is that consumers are not rich enough to pay through the nose for non-China produced goods. How many people can afford to intentionally pay more for less just to make a philosophical stand? In this age of hyper-inflation and rising costs for the everyday necessities in life (not even the luxuries), how deep are the average consumers' pockets to be able to make that stand? Not to mention, on the other side of storefront, manufacturers need to vend out to China in order to stay competitive... with all of their competition who *DO* vend out to China.

The over-reliance on cheap labour and goods is deep-rooted within the entire system. I don't see an easy way out.
 
iblastoff said:
do you want a list of atrocities sanctioned by india / japan / many european countries that make bikes too?? or does it only matter when its in the current news?

and its hilarious that people get mad about specific things made in china and yet have no problem rocking iphones and literally every other component made in china.
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Thing is as time marches along, modern countries are supposed to learn from past mistakes.

China has changed from a communist state to a totalitatian surveillance state. Lately they have become increasingly brutal with its internal controls. Those things are not cool with their major trading partners.

The world has given them a lot of rope.
 
Lightcycle said:
Complacency is only part of the problem. The larger issue is that consumers are not rich enough to pay through the nose for non-China produced goods. How many people can afford to intentionally pay more for less just to make a philosophical stand? In this age of hyper-inflation and rising costs for the everyday necessities in life (not even the luxuries), how deep are the average consumers' pockets to be able to make that stand? Not to mention, on the other side of storefront, manufacturers need to vend out to China in order to stay competitive... with all of their competition who *DO* vend out to China.

The over-reliance on cheap labour and goods is deep-rooted within the entire system. I don't see an easy way out.
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You can choose nothing. Lots of the made in china crap is just cheap garbage that the world is better without (christmas crackers are a recent example that comes to mind). Choosing nothing has almost no downsides and lots of upsides.
 
GreyGhost said:
You can choose nothing. Lots of the made in china crap is just cheap garbage that the world is better without (christmas crackers are a recent example that comes to mind). Choosing nothing has almost no downsides and lots of upsides.
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Choosing nothing is easy when it comes to luxuries and non-essentials.

Choosing nothing is not as easy when it comes to everyday consumables like the food you eat and the clothes on your back. Not everyone is rich enough to shop at Whole Foods and wear designer labels manufactured entirely from start to finish in the west. There are lots of people who can only afford to shop at Walmart.

But it is certainly nice to be well-off enough to make that choice.
 
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GreyGhost said:
You can choose nothing. Lots of the made in china crap is just cheap garbage that the world is better without (christmas crackers are a recent example that comes to mind). Choosing nothing has almost no downsides and lots of upsides.
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You can choose nothing on a cheap trinket, sweatshirt or motorcycle cycle lift, it's a bit harder when you talk about electronics, cars, and every type of consumer goods. I guess you could go to Korea to get your electronics, VietNam for your shoes, India and Bangledesh for inexpensive clothing.. but what about things like hardware, tools, machine tooling? Or the every part comes from China assembled things from other parts of the world?

We have lost our expertise in a lot of these things. Sure we can figure out how to make an injection mold -- but can we make it in 1/20th the time and for 1/10th what it cost to make it here 20 years ago?
 
Lightcycle said:
Choosing nothing is easy when it comes to luxuries and non-essentials.

Choosing nothing is not as easy when it comes to everyday consumables like the food you eat and the clothes on your back. Not everyone is rich enough to shop at Whole Foods and wear designer labels manufactured entirely from start to finish in the west. There are lots of people who can only afford to shop at Walmart.

But it is certainly nice to be well-off enough to make that choice.
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Food?

There's no need to buy food imported from China, and thankfully the availability of it is limited and there are comparably priced substitutes.

Actually most of the "designer" label stuff IS made in China.

It's a vicious circle. The people you refer to who need to shop carefully are the ones that worked at the factories that made the simple or lower end goods that are now mostly made in China.

We in the west are our own worst enemies. Even governments who mandate lowest bid contract acceptance add to the problem. I've read of bridges being built with Chinese manufactured steel and components because the municipality demands that the departments MUST accept only the lowest bid. This allows China to subsidize the manufacture or transportation to win the contract to the detriment of our society at large.

To be fair, the lowest bid thing benefits places other than China too. I recall a nursery owner I knew telling me that the city of Hamilton purchased a few hundred trees to be planted in parks and on boulevards from a nursery in South Carolina because they submitted the lowest bid. Despite the fact that the Canadian industry is centered in that area with plenty of sources. Most of the trees didn't survive the first winter and the city was forced to purchase replacements locally.

I recognize that I'm fortunate to be able to afford to purchase non-Chinese made products where there is the option, and I worked hard for a long time to enable that. I also make the choice to do without some stuff because of where it's made. I don't ask or expect others to do the same and don't begrudge them their choices, but it doesn't hurt to be aware of the conditions of the factory or the country that the products are made in.
 
xrljoel said:
Food?
There's no need to buy food imported from China, and thankfully the availability of it is limited and there are comparably priced substitutes.
Actually most of the "designer" label stuff IS made in China.
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Here is a list of the top imports from China to Canada:

Canada Imports from China - 2024 Data 2025 Forecast 1989-2023 Historical

Canada Imports from China was US$66.08 Billion during 2023, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. Canada Imports from China - data, historical chart and statistics - was last updated on October of 2024.
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Food and clothing make up quite a large bulk of the items we import. Some products like seafood are not produced domestically in enough quantity to feed the nation. Still others, like fruits and vegetables are needed to bolster what we can produce domestically, so that scarcity doesn't price out lower-income shoppers. Over $3B worth of clothing imported from China to Canada. And so many other daily essentials.

These are not items that you can just proclaim "Buy Nothing/Domestic And It Will Fix Itself!" That's a gross oversimplification. Unfortunately, the problem runs much deeper than that. :(
 
Lightcycle said:
Here is a list of the top imports from China to Canada:

Canada Imports from China - 2024 Data 2025 Forecast 1989-2023 Historical

Canada Imports from China was US$66.08 Billion during 2023, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. Canada Imports from China - data, historical chart and statistics - was last updated on October of 2024.
tradingeconomics.com tradingeconomics.com

Food and clothing make up quite a large bulk of the items we import. Some products like seafood are not produced domestically in enough quantity to feed the nation. Still others, like fruits and vegetables are needed to bolster what we can produce domestically, so that scarcity doesn't price out lower-income shoppers. Over $3B worth of clothing imported from China to Canada. And so many other daily essentials.

These are not items that you can just proclaim "Buy Nothing/Domestic And It Will Fix Itself!" That's a gross oversimplification. Unfortunately, the problem runs much deeper than that. :(
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Just to be clear I wasnt saying buy nothing was a practical choice. Ime, a lot of the crap we buy that wasnt necessary to begin with (beach toys, Christmas crackers, etc) quickly turns into a lot of plastic at the dump. Cutting those types of items from our lives would have minimal negative impact.
 
ReSTored said:
我认为，由于过去 10 年发生的许多事情，我们都对中国感到担忧。 这是一个缓慢的过程，但很明显，中国正朝着成为东方主导力量的方向前进，并将在 10 到 15 年内成为不可忽视的世界强国。
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What happens when this comes to fruition I wonder...
 
xrljoel said:
Food?

There's no need to buy food imported from China, and thankfully the availability of it is limited and there are comparably priced substitutes.

.............. because the municipality demands that the departments MUST accept only the lowest bid. This allows China to subsidize the manufacture or transportation to win the contract to the detriment of our society at large.
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I would encourage people to read labels and to avoid anything grown or processed in China due to basic food safety concerns. China is becoming a powerhouse of cheap food supply due to low labour costs. Netflix has a food related series "Rotten" covering a range of products / issue. Interesting series in itself and time and time again China comes up with dubious food processing issues. Don't ask who and how your peeled Chinese garlic is prepared.........

Any RFP document that results in a lowest priced, but substandard, product or service is poorly written or poorly executed. Steel to be used in construction can be tested and trees or other such products should have been covered by a minimum warranty period of one year, just like everyone gets when you buy from a nursery. Many government RFP documents are prepared by generalists who know nothing about the product / service they are procuring. As a result of this the procurement process is completed satisfactorily, but the product / service fails in use and the taxpayer is left holding the bag with zero accountability accruing back to the procurement department. Think new license plates that you can't see after dark and the world's most expensive and poorly performing transit fare system(Presto) etc......

It's up to people and government to put proper inspection processes in place for Chinese products, to limit dumping and to prohibit importation of products manufactured or processed by criminal and political prisoners.
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