Some lawyers are going to be buying 2nd and 3rd cottages on Lake Muskoka once this is settled

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Maybe do a trial with buckets?

But seriously, what about cars that have collision avoidance? If someone hits me with a car that could have optionally been equipped with collision avoidance, can I sue the manufacturer for not making it standard equipment?
 
daught said:
Maybe do a trial with buckets?

But seriously, what about cars that have collision avoidance? If someone hits me with a car that could have optionally been equipped with collision avoidance, can I sue the manufacturer for not making it standard equipment?
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You can try and lawyers will happily take your cash to do so.
 
daught said:
Maybe do a trial with buckets?

But seriously, what about cars that have collision avoidance? If someone hits me with a car that could have optionally been equipped with collision avoidance, can I sue the manufacturer for not making it standard equipment?
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US Government already mandates that every car sold must have tire pressure sensors and backup cameras.
 
GreyGhost said:
Interesting marketing for the anti-gun lobby. I could see S&W settling for $10,000,000 to make it go away and suppress the terms and avoid a precedent setting decision. Again, the lawyers win but nobody is helped.
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S&W won't settle this... no chance.. and they'll have an army of other manufacturers, lobbyists, enthusiasts, etc... standing behind them.. throwing money to their defence.
 
Tobacco companies, and gun companies, have lawyers on staff ready to deal with crap like this. Cost of being in that business.
 
A statement of claim filed in Ontario Superior Court on behalf of several victims of the shooting on Toronto’s Danforth Ave. in July 2018 alleges Smith & Wesson was aware the semi-automatic pistol, which was previously reported stolen from a Saskatchewan dealer, was “ultra hazardous.”

Do I assume this is being done on a contingency basis?

What if S&W wins in court and they go after court costs and win that? Who ponies up?
 
Seems like the lawyers here were buoyed by the SCOTUS decision allowing a lawsuit from the Sandy Hook families, against Remington, to move forward.

I don't think either will win.
 
nobbie48 said:
A statement of claim filed in Ontario Superior Court on behalf of several victims of the shooting on Toronto’s Danforth Ave. in July 2018 alleges Smith & Wesson was aware the semi-automatic pistol, which was previously reported stolen from a Saskatchewan dealer, was “ultra hazardous.”

Do I assume this is being done on a contingency basis?

What if S&W wins in court and they go after court costs and win that? Who ponies up?
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Interesting question. The answer to that question could end most of these ridiculous lawsuits.

Would a reasonable person agree that your product argument is valid and achievable? If the answer is no, the lawyers get to chip in a few muskoka cottages to cover their share of the other sides bill.
 
GreyGhost said:
Interesting question. The answer to that question could end most of these ridiculous lawsuits.

Would a reasonable person agree that your product argument is valid and achievable? If the answer is no, the lawyers get to chip in a few muskoka cottages to cover their share of the other sides bill.
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A different situation but some years back in the USA a group of people signed a petition demanding a reversal of some town decision. Everything was rehashed and the decision stood as originally written. The costs of the rehash was proportionally added to the tax bill of anyone that signed the petition.

Then there was the Brampton motorcycle incident where a kid illegally riding on city property crippled himself with the family suing the city. They lost and I thought they had to pay the city's legal costs, losing their home to do so. I may have the last bit wrong.

As much as I feel for the victims sometimes life sucks and if it really sucks you don't ever get over it but this is a poor use of time and financial resources.
 
Brian P said:
"Loser pays" is not enshrined in our legal system. It should be. It would make a lot of frivolous crap go away.
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That's one way to look at it.

Another way is whoever has the most money, can afford the best lawyers and is best connected will never get challenged and can basically get away with doing anything they want with impunity.

Hmm... kind of what happens now, I guess...
 
The impact of lawsuits like this are beyond the linear thought process of money via court, etc.

Many (most?) products today have design features that are not value adds to the consumer, not better product engineering, etc. they are based on the fear of lawsuits (win or lose--product design liability)--engineering by lawyers. Sometimes things are out and out legit design defects (Ford Pinto, 737 Max,....), many times they are changes just to avoid court. Sometimes they are changes that are phased in and once the change is cheap enough (needs volume) they become gov mandated. Sometimes the item is just taken out of production or recalled (by choice or by law).
  • Ever noticed that bicycle forks have lips at the bottom of the dropout, we call them lawyer lips...fear of lawsuit from people that do not tighten the wheel and crash...
  • Raised BB on bicycles due to pedal strikes in corners causing crashes (pedalling in a corner),
  • Power window pinch sensors, kids getting stuck in the window, lots of other automotive examples.
  • Lawn darts,
  • Tall furniture falling on people,
  • Medical field is full of examples, removed products and product packaging changes,
  • I can go on for hours...
Back to this case. These lawsuits in general will eventually force some changes to avoid the liability. Maybe bio-metrics become more common, therefore cheaper and eventually mandated. End of purely mechanical guns being made/sold. Maybe some manufactures get out of the consumer market to avoid the hassle. Possible changes to product distribution or packaging making them harder to steal from a gunshop. Who knows, if these lawsuits happen enough it WILL result is changes, win or lose--they always do. Many of the changes will be for no truly technical, value add reason (and will accomplish very little), they are just to avoid court.
 
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So now as a criminal I just continue to smuggle/steal/buy/sell older guns with no "technology" in them.

How you going to go and retrofit the tens of MILLIONS of guns already privately owned in the US and Canada?

...and to all the folks on here that hate guns have you ever shot one?

Since there are lots of us on here that are legal firearms owners maybe we should arrange a GTAMoto range day get together and some of you can try target shooting.

Might change your minds.
 
miggs said:
So now as a criminal I just continue to smuggle/steal/buy/sell older guns with no "technology" in them.

How you going to go and retrofit the tens of MILLIONS of guns already privately owned in the US and Canada?

...and to all the folks on here that hate guns have you ever shot one?

Since there are lots of us on here that are legal firearms owners maybe we should arrange a GTAMoto range day get together and some of you can try target shooting.

Might change your minds.
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By the time the mechanical guns are out of circulation, we will be shooting people with lasers. A few weapons stop being useful due to neglect or stupidity but what is the realistic useful lifetime? My guess is well over 100 years if well maintained. In 2018, civilians in canada and the US were estimated to have 12.7 million and 400 millions guns respectively. Getting those out of circulation will take centuries (and that assumes no new firearms come in to circulation).
 
Why is there never any talk about the weak spots in the Canada/USA border? It's common knowledge that truckloads of contraband go thru the unregulated checkpoints.Akwesasne is a huge weak spot where control is needed.
Can of worms?
 
miggs said:
Since there are lots of us on here that are legal firearms owners maybe we should arrange a GTAMoto range day get together and some of you can try target shooting.
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If it's anything like GTAM group rides, immagonna stay the fock at home, lest I accidentally get shot in the back by a bro who also rode in with his M1 license on a Gixxer1K...

Just sayin'...
 
Lightcycle said:
If it's anything like GTAM group rides, immagonna stay the fock at home, lest I accidentally get shot in the back by a bro who also rode in with his M1 license on a Gixxer1K...

Just sayin'...
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I was gonna put a laugh emoji there, but......
 
Lightcycle said:
If it's anything like GTAM group rides, immagonna stay the fock at home, lest I accidentally get shot in the back by a bro who also rode in with his M1 license on a Gixxer1K...

Just sayin'...
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The Friday Night M.O.B. ride would have been perfect for that.

Bring a flak jacket.
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