Did not read whole thread thru and don't know your personal situation obviously but if it were me I'd grab the $800 and put it toward an identical good bike and use the damaged one for spares. Maybe work toward becoming a guru on that make and model.
So I bought a bike with a dent in frame and cant get safety
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A quick check on Ron Ayers shows the frame to be under $1000 from them, which is lets say $1200 here.
http://www.ronayers.com/FRAME-03-04-C186986.aspx
I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of "dents" in frames and safeties.
Does a "dent" actually qualify as a "bent" frame?
OP: wouldn't having the seller sign a statement stating that there is "no structural damage" work against you? That dent's obviously structural damage. If you get him to sign it, couldn't he just say there was no "structural damage" when he sold it to you, denying responsibility for the dent?
What may help is having the seller sign a statement agreeing that there was a large dent in the frame, and him implying that it wouldn't be an issue getting the safety.
A greater concern would be what other damage there may be once you have the bike apart. I imagine that if there bike was hit hard enough to make that dent, there's likely more damage underneath.
I would have made a condition of sale being able to get the bike safetied.
Does a "dent" actually qualify as a "bent" frame?
OP: wouldn't having the seller sign a statement stating that there is "no structural damage" work against you? That dent's obviously structural damage. If you get him to sign it, couldn't he just say there was no "structural damage" when he sold it to you, denying responsibility for the dent?
What may help is having the seller sign a statement agreeing that there was a large dent in the frame, and him implying that it wouldn't be an issue getting the safety.
A greater concern would be what other damage there may be once you have the bike apart. I imagine that if there bike was hit hard enough to make that dent, there's likely more damage underneath.
I would have made a condition of sale being able to get the bike safetied.
While a safety would have helped the OP in this case, I would not rely on a safety as any indicator about the health of the bike. The requirements to pass a safety are incredibly minimal and vague
GGG? I googled and got "Germanische Glaubens-Gemeinschaft" which I doubt was your inference.
Agreed - seller is being more than generous given disclosure and 'as is' selling status.
Good guy greg
EaZ8
Well-known member
that is horrible, i cant believe anyone would pay 4 grand for that. under the plastics is going to be a absolute mess and the replacement parts are not cheap.The bike was never branded bc the accident was not reported anywhere.
For those that say I should man up and accept the consequences...I have no problem doing that. I really like the bike and want to keep but I dont want to sink another 2000$. I got the bike for just under 4k, so it is a lot. I guess I will take what he can give me and look for how to fix it. Thanks for all the input though.
@PLau - just because Im a member here for 9 yrs doesnt mean I know it all. Yes I do my own research, since no of my friends ride, but I do consider myself a newb. Just have the passion for motorcycling since a kid. And finally @30yrs of age decided to go ahead and purchase one.
For those who want to see. Here is a pic of the damage
try harder to get your money back.
TRUST ME, TRUST ME, TRUST ME when I give this advice (I have a TON of experience in this field). Do NOT take him to small claims court. It wouldn't cost you much to file your claim, but I assure you that you will not win and you will then be assessed his costs as well. If it was my bike, I would just find a shop that will certify it (there are many who will), and then ride it for the summer and look for a good clean frame to switch it to over the winter. Take this guys $800, and he is a GOOD MAN to offer it. He was not neglectful and did not attempt to hide the damage, as it is in clear view. You will not win in court, he will then not be willing to give you the $800 (you willfully declined this offer by filing a claim), and you will have to pay his costs. Cut your losses, and just enjoy the bike.
PS. you should have done your due-diligence with respect to this damage BEFORE handing over the money. I'm sure the frame is still very strong and will ride just fine. Might be time to scuff the frame up, fill it with whatever fill you can, and then break out the ever so famous stickers on each side of the frame to "assist" you in passing a safety. Then just ride it and swap frames over the winter. Its actually not that much work.
Agree with the suggestions. If the guy won't do "take-backsies", then take the $800, stay off that bike until it's properly rideable (that's a huge damn hit to the frame), and learn from this experience. Small claims court will be a straight-up waste of time and money for something like this.
It's hard when you want something bad, but you gotta learn to keep it in your pants or you'll lose out even if the other guy isn't purposefully trying to take advantage on you.
It's hard when you want something bad, but you gotta learn to keep it in your pants or you'll lose out even if the other guy isn't purposefully trying to take advantage on you.
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A dent in the frame is not the end of the world. In 2003 I bought a 2001 R6 with 2,500kms on it with a dent almost as big as yours. I paid $4000 for it at the time, which was a steal. The bike had been crashed by a previous owner and was being sold by the 2nd owner, an ex-Yamaha racer who was still working for Yamaha. He rebuilt the bike using OEM Yamaha parts and aside from the big dent in the frame, looked pretty much mint. The title was clean and he assured me it was mechanically sound and tracked perfectly straight. To prove it, he took me for a ride (on the back) and brought it to a ridiculous speed. I didn't need any convincing after that. 
I never had a problem certifying it, and it rode like a new bike. I sold it at a fair price for even more than I bought it for with 15,000kms+ on the tach a couple years later. The buyer had no issue with the dent, or certifying it himself afterwards (as I also sold it 'as is').
Did you pay too much for a bike with a dented frame? Probably. But it's still not the end of the world as there's a strong chance the thing still performs fine. As long as you're not hoping to flip it for a profit when you sell it, just find a shop that will certify it and enjoy riding it.
I never had a problem certifying it, and it rode like a new bike. I sold it at a fair price for even more than I bought it for with 15,000kms+ on the tach a couple years later. The buyer had no issue with the dent, or certifying it himself afterwards (as I also sold it 'as is').
Did you pay too much for a bike with a dented frame? Probably. But it's still not the end of the world as there's a strong chance the thing still performs fine. As long as you're not hoping to flip it for a profit when you sell it, just find a shop that will certify it and enjoy riding it.
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:lmao:
Are you the guy who sold the OP this bike?
He is a "good guy" ? You can't be serious. He took advantage of someone who wasn't very knowledgeable and told them that a safety wouldn't be a problem. Then when it became clear that it would be a problem he won't take the bike back. That is not an honest person.
And your advice to patch it up with whatever you can? :lmao:
OP this is what i'd do, and i dealt with someone who ****ed up my bike and didnt want to pay up.
Tell him he can give you the full amount back and try to scam the next guy, or you will take him to court. You will not only be seeking the 4K that you paid for the bike but also court costs, and any work missed as a result. One day to file, another to do some paperwork, third day to show up to court at a cost of 500$ per day since thats what a day of work costs you
If he's still hesitant to give you the money tell him that you'll return it to him piece by piece through his front window
BTW 4 k for a 2003 600rr that was cartwheeled? :lmao:
YamaMana
Well-known member
First off, the seller is being a saint offering you cash toward fixing the problem. Take it and fix your bike. You've taken 9 years to decide to ride, take one more summer off and make it right. If you are going to keep the bike, tear it down and get to know everything about it. The internals of the engine is definitely rocket science, but most everything else you will deal with is lego's.
Let me tell you about small claims court - personally. Even if you win, you lose. First off, you will lose.
That said, if you win, seller says, yea, but the money is gone. All I can afford is $100.00/month until it is paid off. Doesn't pay the 3rd month, 6 months later you are sitting in court, he apologizes but his children needed to eat so they slap him on the hand, he makes another couple of payments and ... hopefully you are getting the point.
Let me tell you about small claims court - personally. Even if you win, you lose. First off, you will lose.
That said, if you win, seller says, yea, but the money is gone. All I can afford is $100.00/month until it is paid off. Doesn't pay the 3rd month, 6 months later you are sitting in court, he apologizes but his children needed to eat so they slap him on the hand, he makes another couple of payments and ... hopefully you are getting the point.
toronto.cbr
Active member
Take the 800 and call it a loss.
Next time, post this thread BEFORE you actually fork over the cash.
But all in all, welcome to the SS world
Next time, post this thread BEFORE you actually fork over the cash.
But all in all, welcome to the SS world
Always? No. Not if you know what a safety certification entails. It's not rocket science and the bike does not have to get disassembled at all to pass the safety test.
I've bought almost all my used bikes without a safety. You can either save big $$$ taking the bike to get safetied yourself, or you'll edge out other hesitant buyers who are insisting that the seller get a safety before they buy.
If the seller is selling a bike in good condition, he's going to sell it to me instead of the guy who's moaning and complaining about a certificate when the bike will obviously pass safety.
cbcanada
Banned
Lol
Looks like the seller just joined the thread..
"If i was educated, I'd be a damn fool"
$4000 BUCKS FOR AN 03 CBR600 ?? WOW
anywho bring the bike to my shop I can fix it and repaint the side of the frame for you for a really good price
anywho bring the bike to my shop I can fix it and repaint the side of the frame for you for a really good price
