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Nokian! Hands down the best tire I have had for snow. They cost more but well worth it!
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Snow Tires
- Thread starter NOcageRus
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Honestly, I never buy brand new tires... I always buy used and find ones that are 80%+ tread wear and for a fraction of the cost!
And don't forget that narrow and tall tends to work better in snow and ice than wide and low. You want your tire to be able to exert pressure and cut through the snow and ice to a firmer traction base below. Wider tires tend to toboggan on deep snow and on ice.
True for deep snow, not so much for ice.
A good snow tire with a wide footprint will grip much better on ice then a narrow tire.
A narrow tire will cut thru snow and slush better then a wide tire that tends to compact rather then dig in.
False.
A narrower tire grips better on ice. There are more lbs/square inch exerted on the surface when you use a narrower tire.
Same idea as weight transfer when racing. Load the weight onto the outside turning wheel and it will give more grip.
Every winter rally setup and ice racer setup is based on the narrowest possible tire that can fit over the rotors. That includes Rally tires that aren't running studs.
If wider tires were better on ice these guys would use them on frozen lake stages.
They don't.
You always buy the narrowest tire you can put on your vehicle as long as the combination is within the limits of the vehicles weight. I ran 175 width snows on my 2600 LBS Impreza.
Also, tread depth doesn't necessarily mean a snow tire is any good. The rubber in them goes hard over time and makes them less effective so old stock or used snows aren't such a good deal.
That being said, any new snow tire is better than the best all season.
Personally I run Nokian Hakka on my car and Yoko Geolandar ice on my truck.
ABadjusterrider_5
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I drive a chevy silverado 4 x4. Any advice on winter tires?
I'm not debating that narrower tires are better in the winter, that's just a fact. I was referring to hitting something like black ice, I would much rather a OEM size winter tire to a narrow tire.
For you guys down in the city you don't normally deal with allot of deep snow, but black ice is a common occurrence on the 400 series hyw's.
Those ice racers don't race on pure ice, there is snow on there also and ice gets mashed up pretty good. Ice racers run studded tires.
Here since you like pictures.
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Just saying for all around city driving no need to mess with OEM sizes. Just get a good set of winter tires and stick to your stock size.
Key to winter driving is "driving" according to road conditions. Tires won't do squat unless you adapt to weather conditions.
That's why most vehicles in the ditch during snow storms are 4x4's and AWD vehicles. Gives drivers false sense of driving security in the snow.
For you guys down in the city you don't normally deal with allot of deep snow, but black ice is a common occurrence on the 400 series hyw's.
Those ice racers don't race on pure ice, there is snow on there also and ice gets mashed up pretty good. Ice racers run studded tires.
Here since you like pictures.
.Just saying for all around city driving no need to mess with OEM sizes. Just get a good set of winter tires and stick to your stock size.
Key to winter driving is "driving" according to road conditions. Tires won't do squat unless you adapt to weather conditions.
That's why most vehicles in the ditch during snow storms are 4x4's and AWD vehicles. Gives drivers false sense of driving security in the snow.
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Company vehicles so, they mount and dismount on original rims and insist on same oem sizing.
Grand Am - Blizzaks
G6 - X Ice
Accord - X ice
Escape - Blizzaks
Run two seasons, sometimes three depending on the car. Mostly ice, slush and rain conditions. Some heavy snow. All have performed well. The Escape with the latest Blizzaks have performed very well and reasonable quiet on pavement.
The Accord and X Ice. Only issues was road noise but, it wasn't very quiet to begin with. Found the tires spun more on the accord. Not sure if it was the car or the tire. They stopped well.
If I did more travel to the north with snow conditions, I'd lean towards the blizzaks. Mostly city driving in the GTA, The X Ice do the job well.
Grand Am - Blizzaks
G6 - X Ice
Accord - X ice
Escape - Blizzaks
Run two seasons, sometimes three depending on the car. Mostly ice, slush and rain conditions. Some heavy snow. All have performed well. The Escape with the latest Blizzaks have performed very well and reasonable quiet on pavement.
The Accord and X Ice. Only issues was road noise but, it wasn't very quiet to begin with. Found the tires spun more on the accord. Not sure if it was the car or the tire. They stopped well.
If I did more travel to the north with snow conditions, I'd lean towards the blizzaks. Mostly city driving in the GTA, The X Ice do the job well.
Correct. They run the narrowest possible studded tires they can. It's my opinion that a frozen lake is in fact pure ice but that's not really the point.....If width was any benefit on ice then they would take advantage of it but they are looking for speed and control..... not to roll over snow at 30KPH gawking at the scenery. So, no fat studded ice tires either.
Same with rally cars that don't run studs at all and encounter all kinds of Black ice and other ice related surfaces.
It's my recommendation that if the OP is going to get tires and rims then narrowest possible tire will work best in all winter conditions and cost less per tire.
That's all...
I think your missing the point I'm trying to make. How often will your narrow tires actually be on snow in the city?
Maybe 10-20% of the time?
The other 80-90% of the time the narrow tires are of no use to you and will offer less traction on dry roads.
The op is not racing.
Narrow tires also means higher profile, this equals lower vehicle stability.
Not a good trade off for the limited amount of times the tires will actually be used in snow IMO.
Maybe 10-20% of the time?
The other 80-90% of the time the narrow tires are of no use to you and will offer less traction on dry roads.
The op is not racing.
Narrow tires also means higher profile, this equals lower vehicle stability.
Not a good trade off for the limited amount of times the tires will actually be used in snow IMO.
How am I missing the point?
These are your words....
... and they are absolutely wrong and honestly, who cares about what your tires are doing when it isn't snowing? The point of good snow tires is what they are doing when it is.
The OP was asking about good/the best snow tires so that appears to me to be a question of performance.
The city may have clear main roads for whatever percentage of the winter but the side roads where people tend to live aren't cleared so fast and if it's a rain/snow/rain/snow season some of them never get cleared down to the asphalt until spring.
Wide tires are for lateral acceleration. That's why the wider tires tend to be on the back of high HP RWD cars.
In the end think what you want. Stuff the biggest snow tires you can get under your car and call it a day.
These are your words....
... and they are absolutely wrong and honestly, who cares about what your tires are doing when it isn't snowing? The point of good snow tires is what they are doing when it is.
The OP was asking about good/the best snow tires so that appears to me to be a question of performance.
The city may have clear main roads for whatever percentage of the winter but the side roads where people tend to live aren't cleared so fast and if it's a rain/snow/rain/snow season some of them never get cleared down to the asphalt until spring.
Wide tires are for lateral acceleration. That's why the wider tires tend to be on the back of high HP RWD cars.
In the end think what you want. Stuff the biggest snow tires you can get under your car and call it a day.
NOcageRus
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Thanks everyone for your inputs.
I'm still debating on which tire to go with. I'm really leaning towards the X-ice Xi2 if I can get a decent price for them. But I'm still open for suggestions. I do a lot of driving, a typical day includes at least 100kms a day highway and some city driving. (70% highway 30% city). Also I head up north to go snowboarding. So I'm really looking for a good tire for all the winter conditions. I'm willing to pay the money for good tires because its worth it to me, but I don't want to just pay for the name. So if there is a tire that can do it all out there let me know lol.
I plan on checking out some local tire places this weekend. Any you can recommend other then the mentioned that have known good prices.
Also my previous winters that I ran on my car lasted me 4 seasons. They were decent winter tires 195/60/15 and they were called "Triangle". They have plenty of tread still on them but they started to harden last season and just was not handling the way I wanted them to. Not to mention I had to pull out a piece of sharp steel stuck in them at the end of last season. I plugged the hole, but I decided after that I'm just going to retire them and opt for something better.
Thanks
I'm still debating on which tire to go with. I'm really leaning towards the X-ice Xi2 if I can get a decent price for them. But I'm still open for suggestions. I do a lot of driving, a typical day includes at least 100kms a day highway and some city driving. (70% highway 30% city). Also I head up north to go snowboarding. So I'm really looking for a good tire for all the winter conditions. I'm willing to pay the money for good tires because its worth it to me, but I don't want to just pay for the name. So if there is a tire that can do it all out there let me know lol.
I plan on checking out some local tire places this weekend. Any you can recommend other then the mentioned that have known good prices.
Also my previous winters that I ran on my car lasted me 4 seasons. They were decent winter tires 195/60/15 and they were called "Triangle". They have plenty of tread still on them but they started to harden last season and just was not handling the way I wanted them to. Not to mention I had to pull out a piece of sharp steel stuck in them at the end of last season. I plugged the hole, but I decided after that I'm just going to retire them and opt for something better.
Thanks
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Hakkapeliitta is suppose to be the best in winter tire, I personally have not used them because they are
pricy but people swear by them.
I favor the Toyo GO2's personally and now put them on all my vehicles for the winter.
When looking for tires make sure the sipes go all the way down the tread block, most look like they have allot but only go half way down.
pricy but people swear by them.
I favor the Toyo GO2's personally and now put them on all my vehicles for the winter.
When looking for tires make sure the sipes go all the way down the tread block, most look like they have allot but only go half way down.
Good choice. Michelin is a premium brand. IMHO, they make the best passenger car tires in the world.
Costco carries Mich, and usually throws in extras for install. Otherwise, go to BaileysTire in Buffalo. They love canadian customers, and they give a further discount with proof of citizenship.
http://www.buffalonytires.com/
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Really? Good call will have to check them out.
Emerald94
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I got my Ice2 from Dream Tires in Burlington.
Great tires at a great price (got a mail in rebate as well) I'm a Costco member and checked with them for a price and it was a lot more than what I paid at Dream Tires.
I was kind of surprised about this.
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Great tires at a great price (got a mail in rebate as well) I'm a Costco member and checked with them for a price and it was a lot more than what I paid at Dream Tires.
I was kind of surprised about this.
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